Global Warming

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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky Dragons

You've said a lot about global warming for several posts but have yet to produce any supporting evidence. I am open to hearing about man caused global warming but have not seen ANY legit studies to date. There were problems with your other posts too that I skipped but will go back now because of this post.

-Man caused global warming is due to all the CO2 we are producing. I already posted about that. Like higher population of the world+deforestation+burning fossil fuels = stronger green house effect. Which means global warming. You cant honestly tell me that you think none of these things have negative effects?

The Earth experiences incredibly different fluctuations in atmospheric makeup, rainfall, and literal Earth changing events such as super volcano eruptions and meteorite impacts, that makes average temperature over very long time spans completely useless for a man caused global warming debate. The Earth today is not going to have the same average temperature as it did 800,000, 400,000, or 200,000 years ago. I suppose that's good data to have (I'm all for expanding knowledge) but it's completely irrelevant to this.

- the average temps of the world still stays relatively the same through these ups and downs. What im saying is that yes we could be going into an "up" period, which was someones argument earlier in the thread so yes its relevant, but the rate at which the temps are rising are faster than any "up" period in history. This is another example of global warming.


What may (big maybe on may) be useful would be temperature data since man started becoming industrialized and may actually be able to do some damage. I am not familiar with the methodology used for proxy climate data (using layers of the earth) but it seems iffy and easily fudged from the brief research I did. However, giving it the benefit of the doubt, proxy climate data still suggests that there has been zero man caused global warming.

-If you dont trust scientists methods for collecting the temps for the layers of the earth then idk what to tell you? I generally trust people that are experts.

Scientific Theory does not equal fact. Some scientists believe man caused global warming but many many do not. There are several different competing Scientific Theories for the origin of the universe (String Theory, Big Bang, etc) but they are not all correct.

-Yes thats true. Scientific theory doesnt equal fact BUT 97% of scientists agree that climate change is taking place. That is a scientific theory. Whether or not it is caused by humans i guess is really the debate. But if you really dont think were causing it then what do you honestly think is?

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Sorry that post didnt come out like i wanted :(
My responses have the hyphens^
You dont have to quote that if you dont wanna, i realize youre talking to me lol.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by RetiredJedi

............ I also have trouble with saying that if the glaciers melt then the oceans will rise. Ever put ice cubes in a glass of water and let them melt? The glass doesn't suddenly overflow because the ice melted. I prefer to listen to the science that talks about the connection between how the activity of the sun affects the climate of the earth and not live my life in fear.

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Just wanted to note something about this specific point.

Sea ice melting will not increase sea levels, but land based ice will. Not only from the water it releases (minimal) but mainly from the fact that the removal of the weight of it will create a "bounce effect" in the continental plate underneath it.

Parts of the european landmass are still bouncing from the last ice age in fact. :D


dr del

I won't repeat the facts and reasons already said. And while I believe humans aren't the cause of global warming, we are definitely making it worse. I've been wearing short shorts and a t-shirt lately due to the warm temperature. The seasons are out of wack. I haven't seen a proper winter in years, not to mention the drought my state has been in. We hardly get rain anymore. The record breaking summers aren't helping either.....

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I personally believe in climate change and that man is responsible. It doesn't really matter what I believe, though. I tend to believe the people that know what they're talking about, and even though some data has been altered, there seems to be an overwhelming consensus amongst the scientific community that climate change is real and is man made.

Here's a quick link to a wiki article. Yes, I know wiki is lame, unreliable, etc. but I like wiki because they include all of their great references. I could have linked to their references, but why bother when wiki does it already? Just a quickie post, though, an independent study found 97.4% of publishing climatologists and just under 90% of all earth scientists think significant man made global warming is occurring.

It doesn't really matter, though. You can choose to believe in climate change or not believe in it. You can choose to believe man is responsible or that it is just a natural occurring trend. The two opposing sides have different motives which is why they both try to influence your beliefs. You either believe that man is causing climate change and you will hopefully support alternative energy and reducing fossil fuels and the pollution, war, and long term climate effects that go with using fossil fuels. Or you believe that it's a hoax and you are comfortable with the status quo, continue using fossil fuels, save the tax dollars for supporting the fossil fuel supply instead of researching alternative fuels, and save the money wasted on researching this hoax.

Personally, I would like to see this country lose it's dependence on fossil fuels. I'm sure other countries feel the same way. Fossil fuels are finite and we will eventually need to find other energy sources anyway, so why not start now?

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,



Just wanted to note something about this specific point.

Sea ice melting will not increase sea levels, but land based ice will. Not only from the water it releases (minimal) but mainly from the fact that the removal of the weight of it will create a "bounce effect" in the continental plate underneath it.

Parts of the european landmass are still bouncing from the last ice age in fact. :D


dr del

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I agree and that's why I used the glass as an example

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Originally Posted by xdeus

...there seems to be an overwhelming consensus amongst the scientific community that climate change is real and is man made...

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I respect everyone's opinion and am not trying to change anyone's beliefs but this I do disagree with. HERE'S A LINK that says just the opposite and only a handfull of scientists believe it.
"The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change misled the press and public into believing that thousands of scientists backed its claims on manmade global warming, according to Mike Hulme, a prominent climate scientist and IPCC insider. The actual number of scientists who backed that claim was “only a few dozen experts,” he states in a paper for Progress in Physical Geography, co-authored with student Martin Mahony."

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Originally Posted by xdeus

...Personally, I would like to see this country lose it's dependence on fossil fuels. I'm sure other countries feel the same way. Fossil fuels are finite and we will eventually need to find other energy sources anyway, so why not start now?...

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I don't see a problem with looking for alternatives either but right now it doesn't work so well and is expensive. It will be pretty cool once the technology is complete. Just wanted to repost this.

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Originally Posted by ball python 22

Who all beleives in Global Warming? Me personally I dont believe it.

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Global warming is so much more complicated than the earth getting warm. That being said "Globarl Warming" has been endorsed by every science academy. People who don't believe in global warming either don't have the credentials to take serious or are going against the vast majority of scientists who do.

Or perhaps realise that when you are caught altering the original data not once but twice to fit your pet hypothesis that you are no longer a scientist at all. ;)

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Originally Posted by dr del

Or perhaps realise that when you are caught altering the original data not once but twice to fit your pet hypothesis that you are no longer a scientist at all. ;)

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True. How about if it's such an overwhelming fact that it's happening that they change it from Global Warming to Climate Change, that way everything that happens can fall into that. The climate has been changing since the beginning of time.