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Originally Posted by snake lab

I applaud what your trying to do. And sounds great on paper but nomatter how much data you collect you will never get a consensus on anything lol. Its not like we are a bunch of tire makers all making round black tires. But good luck. I do have to say that ak has a smokin pastel yb. Smokin

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The only way this can be proven is if people post pictures of their BPs and have people vote =]. Or what could be really fun is if at a reptile expo, they can have snakes on display and people vote which one is nicer ^_^

I guarantee that it won't be a 50% vote LOL. Some traits are more sought after than others which answers a lot of questions. When people ask "what should i look for when buying a pastel?" You can reply "most people prefer X... but I prefer X..." but at least you can say most people will agree on a certain trait of a named morph...

Gosh sorry I keep posting on top of myself. . .

I just don't think people realize how UN-official clubs truly are. :P
Anyone can start a club, and if people don't like it, and don't like the standards, then they won't join it, and they won't show in it! It's as simple as that. The standards would reflect what people generally consider to be attractive on the snakes that are categorized.

A normal BP would not be shown as a 'Light coloured python with tan spots', even if the gene is capable of producing that morph. A normal would be shown as a 'Brown python with dark brown or black markings evenly spread over the body in a pattern which pleases the eye' (I'm sure it would be more specific than this, I'm just using this as a very crude example, so don't criticize the descriptions! :P) or something like that.



Even within clubs, different judges will say that one animal is better than the next. :P

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

I like the black ones with the white stripes! And I'm free to like them, and breed them, and sell them, etc. BUT, I would never show them because for every mouse club's standards, they would not do well.


It doesn't prevent people from breeding, owning, selling, and liking the non-standard version of the gene. It just sets a standard for THAT specific club. :)

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AGREED! This is what I'm saying! haha :P

I like some busy patterned and some reduced. For pinstripes, I prefer busy pattern! I prefer structure and PATTERN! Not random lines everywhere with the coloration of a pin so that you can tell it's a pin haha. I like butters/lessers with a uniform pattern and great coloration. The first thing I will notice is the pattern though! I believe most people will want the best color they can find first! At least that's how I hear people describe good looking butters/lessers.

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Originally Posted by saber2th

Here are a couple snakes that I consider to be great examples of their morph.

This is my male Black Pastel:

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...3/100_4574.jpg
He has the classic squiggle marks and great color!

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That Black Pastel is awesome. Very dark. I need a female het Hypo like that....

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Originally Posted by h00blah

The only way this can be proven is if people post pictures of their BPs and have people vote =]. Or what could be really fun is if at a reptile expo, they can have snakes on display and people vote which one is nicer ^_^

I guarantee that it won't be a 50% vote LOL. Some traits are more sought after than others which answers a lot of questions. When people ask "what should i look for when buying a pastel?" You can reply "most people prefer X... but I prefer X..." but at least you can say most people will agree on a certain trait of a named morph...

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The voting this is probably way out of the question. Like I said in one of my other posts, the standards are completely up to the club itself, and anyone can start their own club and write their own standards.

(I AM SPEAKING AS SOMEONE WHO OWNS AND OPERATES A MOUSE BREEDING CLUB AND JUDGES SHOWS. ;) )


BUT. Any good club worth a penny would know that the standards need to meet a general idea of appealing. If my club decides that normals should be 'tan' and not 'brown' then nobody is going to be interested in showing, because that is just not the image of a normal that people want to see, and want to look up to.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

AGREED! This is what I'm saying! haha :P

I like some busy patterned and some reduced. For pinstripes, I prefer busy pattern! I prefer structure and PATTERN! Not random lines everywhere with the coloration of a pin so that you can tell it's a pin haha. .

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So for pins, (coming from someone who really knows nothing about BP genetics, so excuse some of my mistakes) the standards would first be colour a pin should be entered as a recognized colour, then it can be entered as a recognized patern. Say one pattern is 'one stripe' and another pattern is 'busy stripes' and each is judged separately from the other.

Pins are a good example. I like a unbroken stripe on my Pins and Pin combos.

Here is my Jigsaw girl:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...WHISKEYWM1.jpg

I like that her stripe is not broken (but could be more perfect), and there is a decided color difference with the gold of the stripe and the brown/white on the sides.

So for pins, hypothetically there could be a standard that says the stripe should go un-broken, and be as contrasting as possible to the standardized base colour pattern.


And there should be another standard for 'broken stripe pins' where the stripe should be clean and broken into as even sections as possible, while remaining appealing to the eye, and un-cluttered. Stripes to contrast the base pattern strongly.



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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

So for pins, hypothetically there could be a standard that says the stripe should go un-broken, and be as contrasting as possible to the standardized base colour pattern.


And there should be another standard for 'broken stripe pins' where the stripe should be clean and broken into as even sections as possible, while remaining appealing to the eye, and un-cluttered. Stripes to contrast the base pattern strongly.



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haha I believe a standard example of a GOOD pinstripe is one with 2 unbroken stripes down their backs, and a nice row of stripes down the sides with the hint of speckling within the would-be "alien heads". When I think of pinstripe colors, I think of a dark brown almost milk chocolate color. The reduced pins will have few side stripes and speckling, and will sometimes STILL have 2 full stripes! Now THOSE are sexy pins, even though I'm personally not into reduced patterned pins =p. Jinx has an AMAZING jigsaw <3 :bow:

Thanks for specifying, like I said I haven't got a clue about BP morphs, I'm just trying to help from the standpoint of someone who has done this all before, just with another species! :P