Desert problems

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Originally Posted by purplemuffin

I think the more people who get involved in the project, the faster we'll know what's up! Those brave enough to buy them early get a chance at a huge payout if they breed as well as we all hope they do. :)

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Hence why I'm getting involved. ;)

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Originally Posted by JLC

Just my personal opinion, but if I could do it, I would not hesitate to begin a Desert breeding project. I'd be very happy to raise those girls up and see what happens, and not be in any hurry one way or another. I absolutely love Deserts and their combos.

I think a lot of the "mystery" surrounding them is due as much to public perception as it is to reality. In our culture of instant gratification and information, we have less and less tolerance for the "wait and see" approach. Less trust for it as well. We've become an impatient and cynical lot. When something doesn't turn out exactly as expected right at the same time that all our interests have turned to that subject...then we are quick to assume that our current perception of that moment is reality and that the only explanation for the apparent failure is some vast conspiracy pulled over on us by "them". :rolleyes:

I'll be happy to take any Desert females off your hands. Worthless creatures that they are. :rolleyes:

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x2! My foolproof plan is to win the lottery and then get a Desert pin when it hatches in the summer from a breeding a friend of mine is doing right now.

I could handle winning the lotto also. :p

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Well good luck to you. Maybe you will be the one who finally sets the rumor to rest.

:oops: I don't have that kind of money to chance!

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

A similar question was asked on the KS ball forum....see what Kevin from NERD had to say. If anyone would know I would imagine it would be him.

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Kevin doesn't have an adult desert female. So I'm not sure why he would know better than anyone else...

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Originally Posted by CapeFearConstrictors

Kevin doesn't have an adult desert female. So I'm not sure why he would know better than anyone else...

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Agreed. I only know of 2 desert combos of his

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Originally Posted by purplemuffin

Well good luck to you. Maybe you will be the one who finally sets the rumor to rest.

:oops: I don't have that kind of money to chance!

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Thanks! That would be really cool.

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I for one just bought a Citrus Pastel Desert female. I was very sceptical, but also enjoy the risk of the unknown. She is undoubtedly a gorgeous animal, and I will be crossing the fingers and praying she proves out and helps to set the story straight.

Tomorrow i have an exam about genetics, and yes i should be studying but i found something interesting in my syllabus.

It is a long text but i will only write a part of it since i need to translate it from dutch and english isn't my strongest.

I quote from my course:

Often there is searched for tempraturesensitive mutations. Temprature has a major role at the development of proteins. Temprature sensitive mutations are mutations in a gene that assembles, with a permissive temprature, a normal type proteïne. But at a higher restrictive temprature the protein will denaturate and looses his function.

So in my own words: A mutation ( lets say dessert) can cause a letal mutation, in a certein proteïn, but this will only take affect at higher tempratures.

I heard there are rumors about dessert females being able to breed at lower temps. I'm not saying this is the problem, actually the chance is pretty low this is the problem but maybe it is worth it to take it into consideration.

So if the letal mutation affects a protein that is necessary for lets say folicel development. Then the higher temps are messing up the protein. While at lower( normal) temps the protein is just fine.


But this theory has a tail. If this is correct, and dessert females are successfully bred, then this implicates that we are incubating eggs at a temprature that is too high.

Each protein has an optimum temprature, proteins that we have in our body do best around 98°F. They still work if we have a fever or are a little supercooled, but not that good anymore. They do best at 98°F.
With snakes this is just the same, they have an optimum temprature at wich there metabolism will do best. If it gets a little hotter, it wil still work, but not with the same efficiency. This means that incubating at slightly lower temps ( no man will know how much lower) can result in a higher succesrate of living youngster. According to what protein is affectet, less slugs, babies with a disability or whatever you can come up with.

I'm not saying this is the big solution, chances are very little. But I think it is worth to think about it. And there are breeders how are doing this wright now so there will be answers fast.

I don't know where you guys are getting there aren't pictures. I've seen plenty of pictures of desert females on whole clutches. Granted most of the time 80% or more are infertile. But follicular production doesn't seem to be the issue.

I'd bet $10 to a donut that it's temperature related and now that Chad has 0 desert females, it's going to be extremely hard for any other breeder to have a wide variety of females to evaluate different temps with.

I've heard from VERY reliable sources that temps are the issue. Another issue is impatience. People are usually trying to breed a female as soon as they hit 1300g because they want a return. Obviously 1300g desert females don't produce. From what I understand they need to be at least 2000g and temps need to be ambient of 80.

Also those of you quoting Kevin McCurley are amusing. He DOESNT OWN A DESERT! So why in God's name would you listen to anything he had to say about the morph. He doesn't work with it and never has. Not to mention that he keeps more secrets than anyone. How could you trust someone that's KNOWN FOR YEARS how to get rid of the spider wobble and has yet to tell everyone? I'm not saying people haven't been told, but has everyone? No. Isn't that a little shady? I mean he's more well known than just about anyone. So people listen.... He chooses to keep his secrets. Just saying...

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Originally Posted by PassionsPythons

... Not to mention that he keeps more secrets than anyone. How could you trust someone that's KNOWN FOR YEARS how to get rid of the spider wobble and has yet to tell everyone?...

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That's about the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time. And trust me, I read a LOT of ridiculous things on a lot of different sites.

If you're going to throw out accusations like that, you'd better be able to back it up with solid evidence or retract those words as the moronic rumor that they are.