U.S. lowers it's flag.

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Originally Posted by RetiredJedi

Being retired Army (2006) and been to Iraq (2004) I am glad to see my fellow Soldiers coming home. Everyone seems to forget that this was a timeline that was agreed upon back before the new administration came to Washington.
My problem is the fact that our top military commanders say it isn't quite time to leave yet and there are reports that we are bringing home the troops but increasing the civilian contractors there????
HERE's one report
In the speech saying the war is over and we have fostered a great relationship with the Iraqi people, there are hundreds gathering in Fallujah burning the US Flag to celebrate us leaving.
Hundreds in Fallujah burn U.S. flag
As far as cost (money) check out This story. The "stimulus" cost more than the entire war. (Again money wise).

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Agreed! Good, bad, or indifferent we are there and leaving at the wrong time can be very bad! Pol pot any one?


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Originally Posted by evan385

I should watch the news more. Can't believe everything you hear from word of mouth.

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You can't exactly have trust in the news, they lie to Americans faces every day.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Or this move back home could be due to the NADD act coming into law come 2012.

Many say Obama will Veto it but its 50 50 on whats going to happen.

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I would have to agree with you Rich, if he doesn't veto it, we'll all be screwed.

Would most of you agree that without the Iraq war the Arab spring would not have come about?;)

Democracy is now spreading. As much as some of you may hate W it looks like his democratization of the Mid east is slowly coming along. He was thinking long term and never wavered, that's why some of us respect the heck out of him and his decisions.

Our country gets it right most of the time, while it will be bloody at first, that whole part of the world will be better for it...... Are we forgetting our bloody past? Look what came out of it the most powerful nation in history:salute:

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

Not to mention this war has costed the U.S. way more money than we had at a time when the country cannot even support it's people.

http://news.yahoo.com/panetta-iraq-c...102108022.html

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Not trying to pick a fight or anything but the the country isn't suppose to support it's people. The people are suppose to support themselves... Not really a daycare system.

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Would most of you agree that without the Iraq war the Arab spring would not have come about?;)

Democracy is now spreading. As much as some of you may hate W it looks like his democratization of the Mid east is slowly coming along. He was thinking long term and never wavered, that's why some of us respect the heck out of him and his decisions.

Our country gets it right most of the time, while it will be bloody at first, that whole part of the world will be better for it...... Are we forgetting our bloody past? Look what came out of it the most powerful nation in history:salute:

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We have to be careful about the whole "democracy" thing.

A republic is a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people. (Webster 1828).
A constitutional republic is a state in which the representatives (and other officials) are limited and restricted by a constitution. This country (USA) was established as a constitutional republic.
A democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
I realize you were talking about other countries becoming democracies but we aren't even sure who is gonna be in charge there

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Originally Posted by ShortStop

Not trying to pick a fight or anything but the the country isn't suppose to support it's people. The people are suppose to support themselves... Not really a daycare system.

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Yet, we are supposed to support the government? Why are we paying taxes? So we can force democracy on other countries, or help the system help us when we need it? That can be a long drawn out discussion and will most likely be a viscious circle of arguements.

For the record in my original post, I said "the war is over! At least the war the public knows about is over". They are not openly stating they are sending from one location to another. We will always from this point forward be in that country, wether it's Blackwater or uniformed personel.

Nothing to get excited about. Don't worry, they'll find another way to line their pockets at the expense of disillusioned, well-meaning Americans soon enough.

They only tell you what they want you to hear, they only show you what they want you to fear.

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Yet, we are supposed to support the government? Why are we paying taxes? So we can force democracy on other countries, or help the system help us when we need it? That can be a long drawn out discussion and will most likely be a viscious circle of arguements.

For the record in my original post, I said "the war is over! At least the war the public knows about is over". They are not openly stating they are sending from one location to another. We will always from this point forward be in that country, wether it's Blackwater or uniformed personel.

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We are suppose to support the government. Because the government is suppose to be FOR the people. That is not necessarily the case anymore...

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Originally Posted by ShortStop

We are suppose to support the government. Because the government is suppose to be FOR the people. That is not necessarily the case anymore...

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The government actually works for us and if they fail to do their job we can fire them.