snake lab / Chris Guida (split from "If it's too good to be true...")

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Originally Posted by JRSCB16A2

People make mistakes, Just fix the mistakes. Also on the other side of that, if someone is trying to start over clean...even the worst of mistakes deserves a second chance.

I do admit I have no clue on this guys past, and he may have made many mistakes, the only way he can right the wrongs is if people let him.

Please don't roast me for my $.02. :couch:

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People do make mistakes, and sometimes things happen especially with live animals (talking about shipping here) the rest is a whole other story and the thing is there are 2 different types of people.

1# The honest ones that will treat their customers in a professional manner and make it right.

2# Those that lie through their teeth with no intention to make it right.

Now the thing is those falling in category #2 still would have a chance at a come back IF they truly changed, took responsibility for their past actions, made it right with the people that were done wrong etc

I don't see this here what see here is someone making a comeback hiding his identity (which people will eventually question), lying about the fact that his was a co-owner of the company (not a employee), making excuses about the past blaming everyone else etc

Now I am sorry but it's hard for me to trust or give someone a second chance when they have not changed.

Now would he have taken care of business making it right to people (and in SO MANY YEARS he had plenty if time), than joined this forum introducing himself being honest about his past and made a sincere apology it would have been different.

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this whole situation was created from a moderator or administrator from this site taking a private message, putting their spin on it and sending it to members to call me out or whatever. Why didnt you call me out yourself? Instead you have regular members do it.

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Well look who put his own spin.

Pretty strong accusations here.

I wonder what bother me the most the accusations or the fact that you think members are naive/stupid and would never call out your identity?

You come here talk like you have been in this industry for quite some time and you think members are not gonna wonder and ask questions?

Don't you think they might even be more incline to do so if you rub them the wrong way?

Oh no that right it's a big conspiracy and someone must have put them up to it.

I probably should refrain from posting since I don't have the context, but I've read enough on the BOI to recognize obvious patterns of dishonesty and obfuscation. if you're angry about everyone bandwagoning and piling on top of you, about rabernet doing his job and maintaining transparency on a very helpful website, or about wilomn's one-liners, try to understand that these methods are effective at exposing underhanded behavior. your first few posts, especially the one concerning the unique pastel and DOA hatchling set off more than a few blips on the radar. I'm not trying to denigrate you personally, but it helps the entire community to know who they're dealing with, and how that person or business has conducted themselves in the past.

I don't have much more to add, but if you're serious about rectifying the past and owning your mistakes, the money owed Justin is an easy fix. that man is far more available and accommodating than he needs to be. hell, the other day he just emailed me out of the blue just to check on a few snakes I'd purchased months ago. there's no rational way it couldve taken years to fix that situation, much less given the fact that you have the funds to start dealing in high end morphs again after being left 'holding the bag.'

since you have over a decade of experience and presumably more than your fair share of dealings on fauna, you should know the effectiveness of these methods. the mods and administrators on the site do great work, and if you didn't take everything so defensively, you'd see they're just looking out for everyone's best interest. apologies if that reflects poorly on your past business...err...blunders.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

And this whole situation was created from a moderator or administrator from this site taking a private message, putting their spin on it and sending it to members to call me out or whatever. Why didnt you call me out yourself? Instead you have regular members do it.

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Oh puhlease. YOU brought this situation on yourself with your own actions. That's what you can't seem to grasp. I really do wonder if you are truly somehow physically and mentally incapable of grasping these VERY basic concepts.

You made a mistake. Fine. Mistakes happen.
YOU LIED. Lies don't just happen to people. YOU MAKE THEM HAPPEN.

It's not the mistakes. It's NOT the "two" out of "thousands" of troubled transactions. IT'S THE LIES.

YOU LIE. You get called out for them.

YOU LIE. People want to make sure that others know about it so they can choose whether or not they want to take unnecessary risks in doing business with you. Maybe they'll get lucky and have a "good" transaction. But heaven forbid anything go wrong...you've proven OVER and OVER again that YOU WON'T FIX IT...YOU'LL JUST LIE ABOUT IT.

((Note to everyone reading this....the caps in the previous text are not done out of anger or any sort of heat. I'm simply TRYING to get him to SEE what I'm saying...which so far, he's been utterly blind to.))

Lastly....if you think for one second that other members haven't already seen through your charade, you're sorely mistaken. Just ask Mike Cavanaugh how well he gets along with the staff here. He's gonna fall out of his chair laughing at the thought that someone would think we'd confide in him and ask him to do dirty work for us. He's just smarter than you.

We didn't have to DO anything....we just let the rope keep playing out until you hung yourself with it.

Getting a little hot in the kitchen there guida?

I've worked with kids on and off for a loooooong time. I'd peg your mental development at about the same level as the average 9 year old.

It was Timmy's fault, I was just in the kitchen.

Timmy handed me the glass and it dropped, I didn't pick it up, it's Timmy's fault.

Timmy's mom bought the orange juice that spilled on the floor when Timmy handed me the glass and it dropped, it's her fault.

My mom said I could go to Timmy's, it's her fault.

Yup, pretty much 9.

No one really cares what happened or why it happened. Some care about what you do now since you seem to want to be part of the reptile retail world.

So, you gonna be 9 forever or you gonna drop a pair and take care of YOUR crap?

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Look people. I explained what happened. I made mistakes and im owning them. I have 2 deals that didnt get resolved. 2 out of thousands of good deals and because you people on here want to have something to talk about you have blown this back up on me. I wasnt the only one involved yet im the one who has to eat the entire thing i get it. I never ripped anyone off. They paid for animals and they got their animals. They werent happy with the animals therefore it became an issue. I tried to deal with ellen but she made it impossible to make her happy. As far as justin goes, i couldnt fix it at the time. I got taken myself and left holding the bag on everything. This isnt an excuse its the reality of the situation. I have tried to get in contact with justin in the past. I will be getting this fixed with justin today. And this whole situation was created from a moderator or administrator from this site taking a private message, putting their spin on it and sending it to members to call me out or whatever. Why didnt you call me out yourself? Instead you have regular members do it. I guess people have to be careful about confiding in administrators on this site. Whatever. Im not going back and fourth with the peanut gallery any longer. I will still sell quality animals, i will grt things straight with justin, and if you want to keeo crucifying me over 2 deals in 12 years that went bad then be my guest

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Bull crap! I did no such thing. I did NOT disseminate your PM to any forum member nor encourage any forum member to "call you out". I discussed your PM with other staff members ONLY.

You've had FIVE YEARS to work this out with Justin and other dis-satisfied customers. But it is entertaining to see the spin you put on it.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Whack the rat. I have some huge girls over 3500 grams that eat jumbos and i stun the rats and take plyers to their teeth before i feed em.

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

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How we treat animals tells a lot about our personal morality.

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http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-Bite-question


I cannot and will not speak about the events in question. I don't have enough details and don't know the back story nor have any part in it. Not my business really. I know at times you have passed useful information along and other times and posted things intentionally to bug others and muddy the waters. While I appreciate the useful posts you have made I have been questioning the story you have been telling and I never knew anything about the events currently being discussed.

This is a community and snake keepers are part of a larger community and so on. The thing is it isn't 2 deals gone bad it is an attitude that is an issue. I'll give you the benefit of doubt so perhaps you don't know that often when you post you come off as arrogant (I can as well so but I try to recognize it when I am) abrasive and I know more than you do. Everybody has ideas about what will work and what won't that is part of what a place like this is about different ideas. But willingness to accept that your way might not be the ONLY way also seems to be missing in your exchanges with myself and others. I accept that I don't know everything and that there are likely better ways than what I am doing. But from my experience with your posts you have not. I am not trying to attack you or defend you just stating what I have seen in your posts.

Perhaps you should look to repairing damages done and sharing your experience free of prejudice and superior attitudes. I have run my own business for ahhh 26 years or so (senile apparently I can't remember now...) I know that having a good reputation in a community is worth many thousands of dollars in advertising and PR. It is something to think on and it seems like you have some fences to mend.

Hmmmm...

Cliffs notes anyone?

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Bull crap! I did no such thing. I did NOT disseminate your PM to any forum member nor encourage any forum member to "call you out". I discussed your PM with other staff members ONLY.

You've had FIVE YEARS to work this out with Justin and other dis-satisfied customers. But it is entertaining to see the spin you put on it.

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Oops, my bad. SEVEN YEARS......

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...68&postcount=7

So what are your excuses for the past SEVEN years of not taking care of your customer, who, by the way - gave you a rediculously fair settlement agreement of $400 on the $2300 you took from him by mis-representing your animals? And yet you didn't take him up on it?

thanks for the link. I was just trying to find this on fauna.