baby spider ball keeps shaking its head this normall?

When i said others agree i was responding to the comment that some breeders would dissagree with me and simply was saying there are others that do agree with me. I wasnt talking about the few on here that seem to be the same ones that argue every point i make on other threads as well as this one. Look in a nutshell i take my breeding very seriouslly and i believe strongly about putting the best animals i can out on my tables and on the internet market. This is a buisness for me. I dont look at it any other way. Therefore if i want to keep breeding high end animals as well as regular everday animals i owe it to myself and my customers to put out a good product. Im not saying im 100 % perfect with my system with the spider gene, but i am saying that since i have been so selective with what i work with i produce and sell wobble free spider gene animals. If i do produce a wobbler you wont see it up for sale. I totally stopped doing caramel stuff because of the tail kinkers. I also had a smokin deal fall in my lap last week of 4 adult 2000 gram spider females and 2 bee adult females for wholesale prices because they all had signs of wobbles. Well let me be clear there was one bee that looked clean but it was a package deal. I passed and the animals were priced at about 400 bucks a female give or take. So i do care deeply about the animals i work with.

@ ak. I do agree with you about the spider gene animals being great breeders and feeders. Some of the best. I also believe they are a strong gene animal and one that is just as important as any top morph. Actually i think the spider and the pastel are the most important cause anything you put those to are awesome. As far as the rats and teeth are concerned. I only do that to jumbos that i feed my giant saharan ball girls to. Those females are close to and over 5000 grams and need to eat big jumbos. I feed live and i knock the rats out first. Only reason i yank the teeth after knockin em out is because they can still bite after being knocked out. Its not the easiest thing to knock a jumbo out. Have you ever tried? Lol its not easy. And a bite from a jumbo can do crazy damage. I hope your not implying that would be cruelty considering its being fed to a snake to begin with. This is not a peta run site. And i dont care for fauna either but alot of snake customers do and the last thing i need is to have people starting a witch hunt because they got a snake with problems frome me.

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@ ak. I do agree with you about the spider gene animals being great breeders and feeders. Some of the best. I also believe they are a strong gene animal and one that is just as important as any top morph. Actually i think the spider and the pastel are the most important cause anything you put those to are awesome. As far as the rats and teeth are concerned. I only do that to jumbos that i feed my giant saharan ball girls to. Those females are close to and over 5000 grams and need to eat big jumbos. I feed live and i knock the rats out first. Only reason i yank the teeth after knockin em out is because they can still bite after being knocked out. Its not the easiest thing to knock a jumbo out. Have you ever tried? Lol its not easy. And a bite from a jumbo can do crazy damage. I hope your not implying that would be cruelty considering its being fed to a snake to begin with. This is not a peta run site. And i dont care for fauna either but alot of snake customers do and the last thing i need is to have people starting a witch hunt because they got a snake with problems frome me.

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i dont see a problem with what you do to the jumbo rats as far as knocking them out and pulling their teeth,(not saying i would pull teeth thats a little too hardcore for me, however i have knocked rats out before just not jumbos)if i had a 5000+ gram female i would try feeding f/t or pre killed(just swing them a little harder when knocking them out) but if she wont eat f/t or pre killed then i would probably do the same thing cause as you said a rat bite from a jumbo would be devastating to a snake:O. i would like to know your website though i dont see a link to it at the bottom of your posts:D

Severe cases yes. Why would i let an animal suffer. If the animal is so neuro that it cant eat or cant even stay upright what kind of quality of life is that? I owe it to the animals i love so much not to have them suffer.

Lets define what the wobble is............. a lot of people start thinking of the cork screw body flailing every where.
I watched a u-tube video and did some research to find things to look for so I wouldnt get one of these "bad" snakes. Then I realized something, "It Doesnt Matter"!!!!!!! We looked at probably 50 to 100 spiders before we got our little dude. We tried to find one that did show any signs with no luck. Them my wife found this guy and wanted him so I said what the hell. he only TWO times he shows any neurological disorder is during feeding and when inverted. He will actually try to crawl on his back for a couple of seconds before righting himself.
NOW, is it worth trying to learn from u-tube?? Most of the time I would say NO BUT this time it was. I have a buddy who swore his male did, never has, and never will wobble. You should have seen the look on his face and I cant type the words that came out of his mouth after I flipped that snake:rofl::rofl::rofl: His was worse than mine!!!! It takes almost 30 seconds before he rights himself EVERY TIME!!!!:D:D
I will say for the spiders though, (I know we all think and say snakes dont have emotion) they are some of the most loving snakes I have held. I have yet to have a spider strike at me, even hatchlings.

Now I am going to try to embed the two that stuck in my head the most:oops:..............only tonight did I realize they are from one of our very own:bow::bow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggLICLSTrcA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs0wnp7Y6WU&feature=related

BTW.........................LOVE THE SPIDER IN PART 2:bow::bow::bow::bow:

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Severe cases yes. Why would i let an animal suffer. If the animal is so neuro that it cant eat or cant even stay upright what kind of quality of life is that? I owe it to the animals i love so much not to have them suffer.

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Thing is, Ive NEVER heard this happening in spiders given their tract for being great feeders. I know quite a lot of people working with spider gene hatching hundreds of spider combos, and they never had to put a spider down cause it was a bad wobbler or wouldn't eat.

@rich. I have had to put 2 spiders down, 1 bee , and 6 caramels, in my life. The bee and the spiders were really bad. They were produced 2 years apart from eachother from the same male to different females. I sold the male off and didnt have the issue again. The caramels were over a 5 year period and it was the result of that horrible tail kink issue

Snake lab, I'm still reading the last couple of pages on this. You keep saying that people are going to slam you, or say that you think you are better.

I don't think that's quite true, however, I can see where some would misinterpret the way you're communicating. Perhaps instead of saying that everyone is wrong, try to reinforce that you, in your situation, are right. Such as explaining to us your experiences through breeding. Being one person against many isn't easy, particularly if you just simply tell them that they are wrong. Nobody likes being told that.

So in a nutshell, don't slam them, and they won't slam you.

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My spider looks like a yo yo when he eats. That's when he wobbles. Other than that, he's awesome.