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Originally Posted by Raptor

And those perfectly lined dogs tend to have health problems out the wazoo due to inbreeding..

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I agree 100%. Pure breeds tend to have many more health issues than mutts. I would know I work at an animal hospital and see it everyday.

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Originally Posted by kevinb

I agree 100%. Pure breeds tend to have many more health issues than mutts. I would know I work at an animal hospital and see it everyday.

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My step-sister saved up and bought a show lined Scottish Terrier. By three or four, the dog had severe allergies and would try to scratch holes in her skin. By five, she could hardly pee, and when she did, she'd pee blood. No infections or anything. She was diagnosed with bladder cancer. She didn't make it to five and a half.

Now all of us that like certain hybrids are scared to comment on this thread. :(

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Originally Posted by Raptor

My step-sister saved up and bought a show lined Scottish Terrier. By three or four, the dog had severe allergies and would try to scratch holes in her skin. By five, she could hardly pee, and when she did, she'd pee blood. No infections or anything. She was diagnosed with bladder cancer. She didn't make it to five and a half.

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A little off topic but what I don't understand is pure bred enthusiasts hate mutts, yet breeders sell puggles and laberdoodles and chugs, etc for thousands...yet aren't they nothing but mutts as well? If that's the case I have like $5,000 worth of dogs lol.

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I think this shows why hybrids are a good thing.. We could go round and round for ever and theres no one right amswer. But new blood is a good thing.. Those superballs may be a whole new thing kept within themselves... Or not.. Could go a few ways.. But i dont see them going away

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Originally Posted by Simplex

Wow. What is with the animosity to these snakes??? Minus the human chimp thing thats a whole other argument.. But look at our best friends? Dogs!!!

No one on here can argue that dogs are different. They are different breeds.. And yes i know there is a difference between breed and species.. But imo not much. A great dane and a tea cup poodle are as close as a burm and a ball. In theory... And yet we interbreed dogs everyday.. A puggle..pug and a beagle... I dont see the harm in it.. Also a mule?? The offspring of a horse and a donkey.. I could go on..

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This is just wrong. A dog is a dog is a dog. Breading a great dane and a tea cup poodle is like breeding the biggest human to the smallest human. A mule is two different species just like breeding a burm to a ball. Mules are infertile so there is much less of an issue there. Get your facts straight before you chime in.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Dogs are a great one too. Where did they come from in the first place?

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Dogs are a result of selectively breeding wolves. Great example of speciation.

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Originally Posted by Simplex

I think this shows why hybrids are a good thing.. We could go round and round for ever and theres no one right amswer. But new blood is a good thing.. Those superballs may be a whole new thing kept within themselves... Or not.. Could go a few ways.. But i dont see them going away

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This is just wrong. New blood within a species is fine. You just can't compare hybrids to line breeding or dogs breeds or anything else. If we need new blood to keep the gene pool large enough to reduce genetic defects we would go to Africa and get a wild caught Ball Python not a Blood Python. I happen to like hybrids but they are scary because their offspring must be tracked in order to keep the integrity that the hobby has.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

I think you two will find this earth shattering, then: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/18/sc...998951&ei=5070

Anyways. I think that super ball is quite interesting looking. Absolutely love the pattern.

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OH BOY!!

not earth shattering if you knew anything about hominid evolution. hominid does not equal human!!! they are speaking of the split between bipedal hominids and chimps which are pseudo-quadrapedial. they use the word human to describe this group.

"The split between the human and chimpanzee lineages, a pivotal event in human evolution, may have occurred millions of years later than fossil bones suggest, and the break may not have been as clean as humans might like."

LINEAGES

"The suggestion of a hybridization has startled paleoanthropologists, who nonetheless are treating the new genetic data seriously. The earliest human-lineage fossil remains, like Sahelanthropus, seem clearly to have been bipeds, walking on two feet, but the ancestors of chimps presumably walked on their two feet and the knuckles of their hands, as do modern chimps."

"If the earliest hominids are bipedal, it's hard to think of them interbreeding with the knuckle-walking chimps — it's not what we had in mind," said Daniel E. Lieberman, a biological anthropologist at Harvard."

notice he didn't say HUMAN.

this is why so many people don't get evolution and why so many are against it. we DID NOT come from chimps. we came from hominids that split off of chimps about 5.4 MYA, according to these new findings.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

This is just wrong. A dog is a dog is a dog. Breading a great dane and a tea cup poodle is like breeding the biggest human to the smallest human. A mule is two different species just like breeding a burm to a ball. Mules are infertile so there is much less of an issue there. Get your facts straight before you chime in.

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I have an opinion regardless and ill chime in with whatever i feel like.. Didnt realize this was a scientific accedemia level discussion. Regardless.. Were all just a bunch of joes with formed opinions.

And sorry but i dont agree with a great dane and a tea cup poodle being the same.. They are an entirly different breed. They are not the same.

A big man and a small woman is different.