Banana males taking a 20K price drop!!??

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

But how exactly are you "seeing" how many are being sold? If you see one sold, then it's likely more have been sold you're never going to know about.

And I know you're not going to get 10 perfect eggs, that was for the numbers. No one is going to have 50 of one morph females to breed either, right? It was to show the same number in a perfect world to get the same amount.

And even if it's selling 2 at a super high price, vs 20 at a much lower price, it's still the same overall in the math. Less work, less maintanence and marketing.

Not all the super high prices will be only from the "super-breeders" passing animals back and forth. There's a lot of animals that surprisingly will be shipped overseas or some small hobby person who must have THAT animal and has the disposable income(or something to trade). And I do count trades same as cash as far as value. It doesn't matter if it's $10K in cash, other snakes, or a restored vintage car. It's still the value equivalent.

There's always another side in a discussion. Just proposing some of the others in this one.

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no i am not discounting what you said it was indeed a very good point. i Suppose because i cant justify spending more then 2k on a snake the over the top morphs and idea of making that money back seems a bit far fetched to me.

and what i see is based on what is at shows, online listings, etc. I know there is a ton of behind the scenes things that also take place.

I wonder if people will start calling him a market crasher or scum like they do when anyone else undercuts them? Maybe they will say stuff like, you get what you pay for, or more expensive morphs are always better looking. (Which is not at all true.) :rofl:

If a breeder sells an animal in their possession its really not anyone elses business whether the breeder chooses to sell the animal for 10.00 or 10,000. It's their animal and they have the right. Its no different than when someone pays 2k for a mutation and I purchase the same mutation from a friend at pennies on the dollar, if that, compared to others paying full market price, its just not advertised.

I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but Oz himself posted on a different forum that the rumor that he sold a banana male for $30k is entirely false. He actually sold him for $25k cash and $42k trade (so $67k total).

Yes, people pay these prices, and they line up to do so too. I think it's awesome. We have a snake that people will line up to pay more than $50k for, even in this economy. That means the market is still strong.

Go bananas! :banana:

Oh, and something else I really don't understand. So what if Oz sells his banana for $30k? That's great for whoever buys it. But that doesn't mean everyone else who has banana males has to sell them for $30k! Why does everyone think that as soon as one person drops the price, everyone else does too? That's absurd.

Let's say Oz sells his males at $30k each. Okay, Keven still has a male for $65k. Does he have to drop his price? No. Three people get lucky with a low price, but everyone else has to pay the premium if they want one. Heck, if I got that deal and produced more bananas next year, I'd ask market price when I have them available, even if that's more than what I paid.

You may say "well, I saw some going for $30k, so I refuse to pay more than that now." Okay, good for you. Doesn't mean the next guy will think the same way. I think the problem is that the sellers panic. They see the lower price and think that if they don't drop their price they won't sell. That's completely not true. Those who want in the project will pay. They may curse their luck at not getting the really good deal, but they'll do so while handing you their money.

The above was hypothetical. Oz is NOT selling his males for anywhere close to $30k

Even if it's true, this price is due to drop by 50%, and certainly not a surprise.

I'm just waiting for when Toffee prices finally settle this year.. should be a ridiculous plunge.

it comes down to supply, demand, and what people VALUE it at. even if supply is low demand is high if no one sees a 30-60k value for the item it wont sell. so If someone buys them for a price they must have seen a value for that animal at that price whatever it maybe. and thats where opinion comes in.

what things are worth to an individual really helps drive up or down prices of morphs.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I got five bucks that the second post is about the Sahara, or the Mojave or the Namib, or the Gobi or some other...............



.............desert.

Notice how this same exact post has also shown up as a first post on several other forums?

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got banned from one forum and never came back to this one....

I didnt read every post so i apoligize if this has been said but has anyone considered hes not crashing the market but simply trying to create a market? I mean how many people do you think are out there buying snakes for 30k plus? Just cause someone puts a value out there doesnt mean they are selling any thetefore no market exists. But by putting a value of say 30k on a snake makes a market for the animals it takes to create the 30k animal. For example, albino pieds. I have seen prices over 20k but i dont know of anyone selling any for that price but they are in fact selling the double hets like crazy cause people buying them want to make 20k animals. My point is whats the point of advertising an animal at a price that noone is buying them? Makes me think hes trying to set a market not crash it

Woah woah woah, are you telling me you paid $30,000 for a morph!?!?!?!!? I love BPs but I don't think I'd ever pay that much for one, normal ones are pretty enough