Graphic pics from clutch 3

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Actually we have a box of surgical sutures. It had at one time 12 individual Chromic Gut absorbable thread sutures. 3.0 metric 27inches. The needles are 3/8 circular and pre-threaded. It has actually come in pretty handy and has been used a few times. You can actually order them online like on ebay around $10 or so.
You can actually just use regular needles and thread also. I believe that RD used just regular thread in his video.

Thanks for the comment. :D

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chromic cat gut is not suitable for reptiles... and i'ts out of production since maybe 10 years..
I guess u never used any anesthetic....

Anesthetic does not work very well on reptiles and can have adverse effects....

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Originally Posted by Quality_Snakes

chromic cat gut is not suitable for reptiles... and i'ts out of production since maybe 10 years..
I guess u never used any anesthetic....

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Chromic Catgut or Chromic Gut is still produced. It has been used on reptiles. It is not sugested to be used for internal suturing. We have used it before with no ill affects. No we have not ever used any anesthetic on a snake.

If you used any sort of an anaesthetic on that baby, it would almost certainly be dead now.

Yeah, it probably hurt like hell for a few minutes. But that snake can go on now and live a lot of years, and it won't be bent like a boomerang, and it will be able to be normally active.

I once underwent two major orthopedic surgeries. I did have anaesthesia for the surgery, but there was not a thing that they could give me afterwards that would touch the pain. I'm genetically resistant to most anaesthetics, heck, I woke up during one of the surgeries, even with a nerve block. Morphine and dilaudid and all, it did not even touch it. I was in agony for several days after each surgery.

Every minute of pain was worth it. I can walk, and I would have spent the rest of my life in a wheelchair if I didn't go through those surgeries. I've been given 13+ years of the kind of life I value in exchange for those several days of suffering.

Sometimes pain can't be avoided if you want to have any sort of a life in front of you. A snake might just be a snake, but his little life is the only one he has, same as ours. He has a life ahead of him now. I figure that is a lot kinder than doing the "humane" thing and ending it.

I hate to see anything suffer--man or animal. But darn it, life is worth suffering to possess.

Snakes do not have the same nerve receptors mammals do. They can obviously sit on a malfunctioning uth and get thermal burns and cook themselves alive, or get eaten alive by a prey item, so a few helper stitches doesn't ever hurt. Considering the fact that without them this little one would Have died, I'm sure a few minuetes of weird discomfort is much Better.

Exactly. This is an argument I've made multiple times. Reptiles can feel pain, but certainly not in the way that mammals do. If they did, it be very detrimental to them. If they were overcome with pain from a wound in the wild, they would be less likely to escape to a safe place.

It takes a much higher dose of anesthesia to work on a reptile as it does to work on a mammal. It also takes much longer for reptiles to cone out of anesthesia once under. It also affects their internal organs and functions in a different way than it does with mammals.

Some reptiles release a chemical inside their body when under stress that can kill them. This effect can be increased with the use of anesthesia.

Remember Steve Irwin? He constantly talked about this. They never used anesthesia on their crocs. It was safer and less stressful this way. Just secure their legs and mouth, and cover their eyes.

[QUOTE=Foschi Exotic Serpents;1572176]Exactly. This is an argument I've made multiple times. Reptiles can feel pain, but certainly not in the way that mammals do. If they did, it be very detrimental to them. If they were overcome with pain from a wound in the wild, they would be less likely to escape to a safe place.

It takes a much higher dose of anesthesia to work on a reptile as it does to work on a mammal. It also takes much longer for reptiles to cone out of anesthesia once under. It also affects their internal organs and functions in a different way than it does with mammals.

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Even wonder why it's hard to find a herpetologist that will do surgery on a reptile . Most of them just tell you there is nothing they can do. It's way to hard on a reptiles body to be put under. Not sure the exact percentage but a lot never make it through the procedure. They also take much longer to come out of it. With the topic being discussed I would do the same in a heart beat. I wouldn't hesitate to suture an animal back up. If you don't like it or dont believe in it then don't do it . Not trying at all to sound like a jerk just sayin...
To the OP great job. Looks good and keep us updated on the little guy.

Hoping that he/she's ok!

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Quality_Snakes

chromic cat gut is not suitable for reptiles... and i'ts out of production since maybe 10 years..
I guess u never used any anesthetic....

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Chromic gut, which is essentially purified bovine collagen, is still available. While it can induce slightly more inflammation than other sutures, I would think that it would be an excellent choice in this situation as it is an absorbable suture, thus saving the snake from the added trauma of suture removal. Why isn't it suitable for reptiles?

To the OP: Great job!

awesome job