Is it a pastel?

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Originally Posted by Nektu

From looking at it I would have to say a lighter color version of a normal. PH for Pastel?

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There is no such thing as possible het pastel.

Super pastels are "het" for pastel because all the offspring inherit one copy of the pastel gene. Pastels are "het" super for the same reason, but pastel is a codom, there are no "possible hets" either the animal has the pastel gene or it doesn't.

Pastels are visual hets for super pastel.
A Super pastel is homozygous and pastels are heterozygous.

The snake in question obviously cannot be a pastel as it doesn't high bright green eyes :)

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

There is no such thing as possible het pastel.

Super pastels are "het" for pastel because all the offspring inherit one copy of the pastel gene. Pastels are "het" super for the same reason, but pastel is a codom, there are no "possible hets" either the animal has the pastel gene or it doesn't.

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Ah. Thank you. I was misinformed by the person who told me that there can be PH's of bp's.

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Originally Posted by Nektu

I was misinformed by the person who told me that there can be PH's of bp's.

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There can be pos hets, just not in a visual het breeding as the hets are visual and the normals are normal.

When you work with recessive hets then pos hets can become involved because all the hets are "hidden" or recessive.

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Originally Posted by Nektu

Ah. Thank you. I was misinformed by the person who told me that there can be PH's of bp's.

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There can, but for recessive genes only. So.. you breed a het piebald to a het piebald (heterozygous for piebald but normal looking) the babies would be 66% het pied, or possible het pied. You'd need to breed to figure out of the offspring are actually heterozygous for piebald or not.

Not to thread hijack, but, if I were to take a Bumblebee and breed it with a Lemon Blast, the percentage of the offspring being a het of something else would lessen?

Hi,

Not sure I follow.

Technically you can call anything with only one copy of the gene a heterozygous but, by casualy accepted usage, we only use it for recessive morphs.

So breeding a bumblebee to a lemonblast wouldn't produce anything we would normally refer to as a het as there are no recessive genes involved.

But, in a technically accurate sense, the only things that wouldn't be heterozygous for any of the traits would be superpastels and normals.

Any pastels would be technically het for superpastel and ( until we finally get proof otherwise ) since nobody has seen a proven homozygous spider or pinstripe ( though BHB has one which is looking more likely to be one with every egg hatched ) you could be forgiven for saying they were heterozygous too for the mythical superform.

So, the answer to your question is either;

A) 12.5% of the offspring wouldn't be het for anything - the rest would.

OR

B) None of the offspring would be called het in common usage.


Personally, unless you are explaining genetics to someone to let them work out the outcomes, I would go with B all day long. ;)


dr del

It may look like an orange dream to you, but be honest with yourself.

What are the odds of someone having an orange dream and not knowing it, then breeding it and letting the babies go for next to nothing ?

I'd say you've got a better chance of winning the lottery by playing the numbers 123456.

Gale

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Originally Posted by angllady2

It may look like an orange dream to you, but be honest with yourself.

What are the odds of someone having an orange dream and not knowing it, then breeding it and letting the babies go for next to nothing ?

I'd say you've got a better chance of winning the lottery by playing the numbers 123456.

Gale

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My thought exactly! It is very rare that someone buys a normal that is a visual morph. Most people know what they are buying or selling and will want fair market value.

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Originally Posted by Nektu

Not to thread hijack, but, if I were to take a Bumblebee and breed it with a Lemon Blast, the percentage of the offspring being a het of something else would lessen?

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Neither a Bumblebee or Lemon Blast have recessive mutations in them. None of the offspring would be het for anything (other than the pastel being het for super pastel)