What Morphs am I dealing with?

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Originally Posted by LOSTCOAST_BALLZ

very well put DR DEL.

egapal, lol what a joke. I only say that in reference to condition responses thats all and thats where this " myth " came from. I dont have time nor care to argue with you i was simply stating my opinion which should bare the same weight as others. LOL and your sun example, worthless! the man in the original post stated the pet store told him to not feed in the same home tank, this is a common suggestion especially with people that might not understand snakes behaviors. why people feel the need to challenge my explanation of the advice? i dont know. and then ask for evidence? I dont do it because in my mind, ( this is where my opinion comes in LOL) animals in general are smart enough to pick up and respond to conditioned responses and I dont feel comfortable with my animal when they dont understand its time to be held rather than fed. regardless hook training is great, u have such a wealth of knowledge IM so impressed. lol this is some cyber bullying if i have ever seen it LOL i feel like the outlaw in a western trying to get driven out of town :colbert: i like the people that actually know what they are talking about a lil to much :rolleyes:

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I am certainly not arguing with the reality of conditioned response. I am arguing that you are not giving your animal enough credit. Your animals strongest response will be to the ones it evolved to have. It did not evolve getting fed at the same time every week in a cage or in a tub. It evolved to learn the sites, sounds and smell of prey. I am not saying that this is true of all snake breeds, I am speaking of ball pythons. My research and experience is fairly limited to them. As for what the OP was told at the pet store. If we went by all the advice of the pet store we would all keep our snakes in aquariums designed for fish, use heat lamps best left to bearded dragons, have a half log hide or two, and have a nice stick on analog dial thermometer and hygrometer. Just because you are told something doesn't mean its true.

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Originally Posted by sokonmatsumura

This is a picture of my younger snake I got from a local pet store. Do you think it is an Enchi Morph? Or maybe just a lighter variance of the Normal?
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This is my larger snake I bought from a friend. I believe it is the Normal Morph.
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I think i may have this "Enchi Morph" mines was sold to me as a 66% het clown but she looks more like a Enchi Morph from the pics i Google so how do you tell if it is?

Ok, I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but NO ONE especially a pet store, is going to sell ANY morph for the price of a normal.

Sure, pet stores do occasionally get in things like pastels, but they still charge more for them. And an Enchi is going sell for $300+, not $75 down at the local PetCo.

Enchi's are one of several subtle morphs out there, and it takes time to be able to pick them out. But you need to realize the hard truth, no two normals look alike. I've seen them range from burnt orange bodies with chocolate markings to caramel bodies with sand colored markings and everything in between. I've also seen them with patterns so busy they give you a headache to look at them long, and so reduced you'd swear someone erased some of it while they were in the egg.

To be honest, you can find normals to look like a lot of different morphs if you try, it still doesn't mean they are anything but normals.

Now as to the question of what makes a morph, all of the base morphs were wild caught animals that occurred naturally. The designer multi-gene animals were created by us from there. If you read through some of the posts in the Morphs and Genetics section here, you'll figure things out in no time.


Gale

I got my girl from a local breeder he has a lot of spider balls and pastels mostly,but what he sold me was a 66% het clown and she is absolutely beautiful she even has some orange highlights going through her patterns (which are wonderful) normal or not i love her.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

I am certainly not arguing with the reality of conditioned response. I am arguing that you are not giving your animal enough credit. Your animals strongest response will be to the ones it evolved to have. It did not evolve getting fed at the same time every week in a cage or in a tub. It evolved to learn the sites, sounds and smell of prey. I am not saying that this is true of all snake breeds, I am speaking of ball pythons. My research and experience is fairly limited to them. As for what the OP was told at the pet store. If we went by all the advice of the pet store we would all keep our snakes in aquariums designed for fish, use heat lamps best left to bearded dragons, have a half log hide or two, and have a nice stick on analog dial thermometer and hygrometer. Just because you are told something doesn't mean its true.

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LOL..... OK! your probably one of those "my snake loves me people" this is dumb have a good night. lol you have beautiful normals OP feed how u like

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Originally Posted by LOSTCOAST_BALLZ

LOL..... OK! your probably one of those "my snake loves me people" this is dumb have a good night. lol you have beautiful normals OP feed how u like

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Not at all. You can find my thoughts on snakes ability to love in the post thats been popping to the top for awhile. In short I don't believe reptiles have the parts of the brain necessary to feel anything like what we call love. No one has really attacked you at all in this thread. You seam to do a lot of it though.

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Originally Posted by Ballpython1237

I got my girl from a local breeder he has a lot of spider balls and pastels mostly,but what he sold me was a 66% het clown and she is absolutely beautiful she even has some orange highlights going through her patterns (which are wonderful) normal or not i love her.

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if you bought a 66% het clown then you have a normal until proven that it has the clown gene. this can ONLY be proven by mating it with another BP that defenetly has the clown gene.

66% het means that the parents were NOT clowns but were 100% het for clown. this gives your baby a 66% chance that it has 1/2 of the genes needed to make a clown and 33% chance that it is a normal.

Hope this helps

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

if you bought a 66% het clown then you have a normal until proven that it has the clown gene. this can ONLY be proven by mating it with another BP that defenetly has the clown gene.

66% het means that the parents were NOT clowns but were 100% het for clown. this gives your baby a 66% chance that it has 1/2 of the genes needed to make a clown and 33% chance that it is a normal.

Hope this helps

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Thanks for the break down man,that was the best the whole gene thing been broken down to me to were i actually understand it ha ha ( im a lizard guy ,just getting into snakes so go figure lol),hopefully in about 3yrs i can prove her out then.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Not at all. You can find my thoughts on snakes ability to love in the post thats been popping to the top for awhile. In short I don't believe reptiles have the parts of the brain necessary to feel anything like what we call love. No one has really attacked you at all in this thread. You seam to do a lot of it though.

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We must use strongly "Wild type" instead of normal because normal is simply not a morph. Nice BP's thou!!