Barcelona, Spain Bans bull fights- Opinions

Not all traditions are good. Look at slavery. Oh wait, it's different because it involves humans right?

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

Not all traditions are good. Look at slavery. Oh wait, it's different because it involves humans right?

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I agree that not all traditions are good. However, I think it's different.

I love and respect my pets (dogs, cats, snakes, geckos, feeder and pet rats), all are treated kindly and well taken care of. However, I put human life before any animal.

Is a horse trained to pull a cart a slave? What about a working dog? A performing animal?
What about animals in a zoo or a caged pet? Can you apply the same laws of holding a person against their will to them?
Is killing an animal for any reason murder?

If you can't make human standards apply to animals I don't how you can imply it isn't different. But alas, everyone's opinion will be different :)

Thanks for the opinions guys/fellow ladies, I enjoyed reading your responses!

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Originally Posted by bad-one

I agree that not all traditions are good. However, I think it's different.

I love and respect my pets (dogs, cats, snakes, geckos, feeder and pet rats), all are treated kindly and well taken care of. However, I put human life before any animal.

Is a horse trained to pull a cart a slave? What about a working dog? A performing animal?
What about animals in a zoo or a caged pet? Can you apply the same laws of holding a person against their will to them?
Is killing an animal for any reason murder?

If you can't make human standards apply to animals I don't how you can imply it isn't different. But alas, everyone's opinion will be different :)

Thanks for the opinions guys/fellow ladies, I enjoyed reading your responses!

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You can't make human standards apply to animals, but that does not mean that we abandon all moral obligation to care for animals that we have control over.

Putting human life before animal life is, I believe, the logical and correct thing to do. But that doesn't in any way mean that humans ought to be allowed to torture animals to death for their own enjoyment. If someone accidentally found themselves in a position where killing an animal was the only way for them to escape harm, then I would absolutely condone that action. However, just because I believe my life to be of more value than a fighting bull's doesn't mean that I think it's ok to purposely breed and raise an animal to be put into a ring and slowly and painfully killed while a crowd cheers.

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Originally Posted by bad-one

Is a horse trained to pull a cart a slave? What about a working dog? A performing animal?
What about animals in a zoo or a caged pet? Can you apply the same laws of holding a person against their will to them?
Is killing an animal for any reason murder?

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None of the above measure the scale of bullfighting. I have a lot of caged pets, but I do not see it as cruel. An animal raised in a cage knows no different. And, I never tortured my horse to run barrels for me. He was rewarded for good behavior. Not punished for bad. There is a big difference.

Yes, some performing animals are abused. Even as their tradition, I think it should be stopped too. Humans will always come before animals, but why does that give us the right to torture them for our enjoyment? With great power comes great responsibility.

Yeah, really, what a lovely, valuable tradition.

http://www.sharkonline.org/bullfighting13.jpg

See all those things hanging off the bull? They're stabbed into the bull's skin. Barbs prevent them from falling off. Do you see all the blood running down the bull's body, all the wounds?
The sword just finishes the bull off after it's too exhausted to continue to fight for its life.

So, this guy gets into a ring with a bull that has been bred to be very aggressive. Then the bull is stabbed repeatedly. The goal is to madden the animal with so much pain that it won't even think about trying to flee--not that there is really anywhere to go. (Although at least one intrepid bull did manage to jump the wall and crash through the audience).
This guy dodges the bull while it repeatedly runs around the ring and trys to hit him in order to keep him from continuing to stab it with barbed poles. Sometimes it manages to injure him. Usually, it becomes exhausted, and he kills it with a sword. The huge crowd watches the entire thing, and rates him on how well he dodges and how pretty he can look while stabbing spears into a trapped animal.
He's considered to be an impressive specimen of manhood for his ability to torture and kill the aforementioned trapped animal.

I can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with such a beautiful tradition.

That pretty much was my point. I just feel that human slavery can not be compared to/considered equal to cruelty against animals unless you hold other species to be equal to humans.

And I agree- Just because I put human life first doesn't mean I agree with torturing an animal. I don't know where I said it was acceptable :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by bad-one

That pretty much was my point. I just feel that human slavery can not be compared to/considered equal to cruelty against animals unless you hold other species to be equal to humans.

And I agree- Just because I put human life first doesn't mean I agree with torturing an animal.

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Ok. So, we're on the same page then. I was just stating that bullfighting should have a better argument than "it's tradition" to keep it going.

Turn the bull loose in Spain and have the fighter hunt it.

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

Not all traditions are good. Look at slavery. Oh wait, it's different because it involves humans right?

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without slavery the pyramids would have never been built.... but aside from the inappropriate remark, slave owners didnt get slaves because of tradition, they got them so they could use them for various tasks, not because their great great great grand daddy had slaves. and animals were put on this planet for us to eat, though we should not torture but that is their main purpose.

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Originally Posted by dc1

though we should not torture but that is their main purpose.

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Yeah. Not for beauty, or pleasure. FOOD! You go ahead, eat that banana slug. He's here for food, not to destroy nasty rotting leaves. Tell me how that works for you.

I supposed trees were put here for the sole purpose of lumber too. Look outside your box, the world does not revolve around us.

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Originally Posted by dc1

without slavery the pyramids would have never been built.... but aside from the inappropriate remark, slave owners didnt get slaves because of tradition, they got them so they could use them for various tasks, not because their great great great grand daddy had slaves. and animals were put on this planet for us to eat, though we should not torture but that is their main purpose.

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Wow.

So I take it you're fattening up your BP and dogs for a weekend BBQ?