Pied options, breeding tips.

BP genetics are likely a lot simpler than human ones. Inbreeding humans causes issues due to the frequency of us being heterozygous for recessive diseases, ultimately a homozygous is formed and we end up with whichever disease is coded for. BPs dont seem to have this issue. From what I have heard people have line bred for 13 generations, without ill effect.

But, again, I wouldnt suggest this. It's always good to put in new genetic lines.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

BP genetics are likely a lot simpler than human ones. Inbreeding humans causes issues due to the frequency of us being heterozygous for recessive diseases, ultimately a homozygous is formed and we end up with whichever disease is coded for. BPs dont seem to have this issue. From what I have heard people have line bred for 13 generations, without ill effect.

But, again, I wouldnt suggest this. It's always good to put in new genetic lines.

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Thank you that answers my question fully. appreciate it.

If you wanna take a stab at my origional question for this thread go for it! :P

Pretty sure I already suggested that you breed the pieds, trade/sell them for more morphs, and go from there. Pieds are recessive and desirable, so even in a couple years they arent going to drop too far in price.

nice nice.

If I was to get lets saying another recessive 100% het for pied.

Like a pastel 100% het for pied or maybe something else..

What would the odds of me producing a double homozygous animal like a pastel pied if I bred it to one of my pieds?

pastel 100% het for pieds seem "fairly" cheap and if you hit the odds would definitely pay for itself.

What do albinos 100% het for pied run?

Thank again to everyone who has participated in this thread, I really enjoy all the advice and opinions. I just want to soak in all knowledge possible before my snakes actually get big enough to where I can breed them :snake:

Pastel isnt recessive, it's Co-Dom. Thus if they inherit Pastel (50% of offspring will) then they show it. On top of that since 100% of your offspring will be getting 1 Pied Gene (from your Pied snake) and 50% will get the other Pied Gene (from the Het) so you have .5x.5 (from het pied and Pastel, ignore the 1.0 since it does nothing to the stats) = .25 Meaning 25% will be Pied Pastels. Not bad.

The cost of an Albino 100% het pied will be a lot...

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Pastel isnt recessive, it's Co-Dom. Thus if they inherit Pastel (50% of offspring will) then they show it. On top of that since 100% of your offspring will be getting 1 Pied Gene (from your Pied snake) and 50% will get the other Pied Gene (from the Het) so you have .5x.5 (from het pied and Pastel, ignore the 1.0 since it does nothing to the stats) = .25 Meaning 25% will be Pied Pastels. Not bad.

The cost of an Albino 100% het pied will be a lot...

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so I will be guaranteed a pastel pied out of that then?

They only things coming from that clutch would be pastels 100% het for pied and pastel pieds?

The percentages are percent likelihood, sorry. It means you have a 25% of any individual snake being a Pastel Pied (so if you have 8 eggs you have a .75^8 chance of no Pastel Pieds and a .25^8 chance of getting all Pastel Pieds (the math behind getting a certain number is trickier and I havent worked with it in a long time, so yeah.... Probability (nPr and nCr) is not my strong suit))).

Anyway, The offspring could be (using single genes in the format):

Het Pied Het Pied Pastel
Het Pied Het Pied Normal
Het Pied Normal Pastel
Het Pied Normal Normal

(This is how I do this all in my mind)

So that comes down to Pastel Pied, Pied, Pastel Het Pied, Het Pied. Comes out as 100% Het Pied 50% Het Pied 50% Pastel, thus .5x.5 (in this case this is the multiplication for all of them, this doesnt always happen) = .25

So you have the following probabilities of resulting snakes:

25% Pied Pastel
25% Pied
25% Pastel Het Pied
25% Het Pied

Again that last set is probability of the genotypic results. Phenotypic results are 25% Pastel Pied, 25% Pied, 25% Pastel, 25% Normal (what they look like, not the genes that are represented).

So, again, the bolded text are the % likelihoods of any snake having some genotype.
Sorry, I do things in a confusing way... This is why I usually dont show my work in math...

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

25% Pied Pastel
25% Pied
25% Pastel Het Pied
25% Het Pied

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this is all u need for pastel het pied to pied. those are ur results :gj:

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

The percentages are percent likelihood, sorry. It means you have a 25% of any individual snake being a Pastel Pied (so if you have 8 eggs you have a .75^8 chance of no Pastel Pieds and a .25^8 chance of getting all Pastel Pieds (the math behind getting a certain number is trickier and I havent worked with it in a long time, so yeah.... Probability (nPr and nCr) is not my strong suit))).

Anyway, The offspring could be (using single genes in the format):

Het Pied Het Pied Pastel
Het Pied Het Pied Normal
Het Pied Normal Pastel
Het Pied Normal Normal

(This is how I do this all in my mind)

So that comes down to Pastel Pied, Pied, Pastel Het Pied, Het Pied. Comes out as 100% Het Pied 50% Het Pied 50% Pastel, thus .5x.5 (in this case this is the multiplication for all of them, this doesnt always happen) = .25

So you have the following probabilities of resulting snakes:

25% Pied Pastel
25% Pied
25% Pastel Het Pied
25% Het Pied

Again that last set is probability of the genotypic results. Phenotypic results are 25% Pastel Pied, 25% Pied, 25% Pastel, 25% Normal (what they look like, not the genes that are represented).

So, again, the bolded text are the % likelihoods of any snake having some genotype.
Sorry, I do things in a confusing way... This is why I usually dont show my work in math...

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wow thank you so much for taking the time to figure that out for me.

Very interesting, if by the time I breed I am able to pickup a pastel het pied it seems like it would definitely be worth it.

so since pastel is a codom if you breed a pastel pied to a pastel pied would you get a super pastel pied?

Also ive seen some pastel pieds that I thought looked noticeably different then my pied, but then others that just looked like a regular pied. Are you basically just looking for pastel blushing on the pattern?

Thanks again! :snake: and im sorry for the 20 questions

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Originally Posted by h00blah

this is all u need for pastel het pied to pied. those are ur results :gj:

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I think I like those results haha :please: