Mystic combos?

See RDR 2005 clutch 44 for the "phantom .44's" which are the phantom with dilute aka hidden aka daddy gene combo.

http://ralphdavisreptiles.com/birthi...thons_5_05.asp

Wow,

Didn't expect that - they look like mojaves. :confused:

I take it there is simply no chance that mojave, lesser and butter genes actually contain two mutations with the dilute daddy gene being one of them?

Or would that mean that all BEL's are actually masked daddys and that a visual daddy is only possible with a gene that actually lacks one of a pair of mutations rather than one that adds a new mutation into the mix? :confused:


dr del

still want to see the jasball cross. It was a mojave to a phantom right? Also why would someone cut an egg that early and confirm a morph when the pigment is not even set in?

Joe Ellis

Hi,

Yeah Jas was talking about it on the UK forum.

Well the pattern would be in so he might be able to spot a difference before the colour comes in fully. :confused:


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

I take it there is simply no chance that mojave, lesser and butter genes actually contain two mutations with the dilute daddy gene being one of them?

dr del

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No chance, the offspring from the platty daddy, butter daddy, etc... either get the visual gene (lesser, butter, etc...) or look normal and carry the hidden gene.

I must say that Ralph Davis is one very lucky breeder. Not only was he the first with one of the most mysterious BP morphs but both of them (Platty and Phantom)! The BEL complex is definitely the most interesting genetically in my opinion.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by jluman

No chance, the offspring from the platty daddy, butter daddy, etc... either get the visual gene (lesser, butter, etc...) or look normal and carry the hidden gene.

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Yes I know - what I meant was that the gene that produces the visuals has both seperate mutations within it while the gene that the normals get only has one which is non-visual.

So if you called the visual part "A" and the non visual part "a" to differentiate them from normal animals "n" then the lessers, mojaves etc would have one copy of the gene which would be "Aa" and the platty sibs would "na"

One gene with two seperate mutations which are only visualy distinct in certain combinations.

The reason I'm wondering as that would make the dilute "daddy gene" simple recessive compared to "dominant but only in conjunction with the blue eyed complex" which just seems messy.

Granted messy is hardly rare in these things. :rolleyes:


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,



Yes I know - what I meant was that the gene that produces the visuals has both seperate mutations within it while the gene that the normals get only has one which is non-visual.

So if you called the visual part "A" and the non visual part "a" to differentiate them from normal animals "n" then the lessers, mojaves etc would have one copy of the gene which would be "Aa" and the platty sibs would "na"

One gene with two seperate mutations which are only visualy distinct in certain combinations.

The reason I'm wondering as that would make the dilute "daddy gene" simple recessive compared to "dominant but only in conjunction with the blue eyed complex" which just seems messy.

Granted messy is hardly rare in these things. :rolleyes:


dr del

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Derek, I think you are making it too complicated :D

The hidden gene is just a member of the platinum complex that looks like a normal ball python. It's not a separate simple recessive, it is inherited in the same way as any other gene in the platinum complex.

Has anyone tried to breed a platty daddy sib to a platty daddy sib to see what comes out? In other words a hg normal x hg normal

ok not to hijack the thread or anything but i have a Q.
does het mean the snake has the gene for something? for example a 66% het albino.
does that mean that snake has a 66% chance of mothering/fathering an albino offspring?