Habitat vs Tupperwear

My mother has a term for people like you, you are a [poop] disturber.

So what if you HATE snakes kept in plastic, that doesn't give you the right to come off as some sort of avenging angel condemning everyone who doesn't see things your way as a monster.

I had two adult ball pythons I kept in tanks for over two years. They never had a good shed, ate irregularly, were always crabby and snappish, and I thought that was just how things were. Eventually, they got so un-manageable, I had to admit I was in over my head and found them a new home with owners who had more experience.

Over a year later I decided to try again with babies instead of adults. Tried the whole tank thing again. Spent tons of time and money and started down the same road all over again. Then I decided to see if there was something to the whole "tub" thing. Goodness knows I always thought people who crammed their snakes into little tiny tubs were cruel. Guess what? My temps stabilized, humidity came up, snakes started feeding like clockwork, and suddenly became the sweetest snakes in the world.

Hmmmm, stick with expensive, hard-to-maintain tanks and have crabby snakes, or choose easy to maintain and much less expensive tubs and have loving, happy snakes. Wasn't too hard of a decision for me. If it makes my snakes happy, it makes me happy. So tank, tub or doghouse, it makes no difference to me as long as they are happy. Mine do better in tubs. Some do better in tanks, There may even be one somewhere who does well in a doghouse for all I know. But I don't go around trying to shove my opinion down everyone's throat.

YOUR way of doing things isn't the best for everyone, nor do you have the right to tell people that it should be the only way. You do what makes yours happy, and let me do what makes mine happy.

Gale

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Originally Posted by f4n70m

Best part of that whole speech :gj:

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I walked away and took a few deep breaths, then wrote that last part. :D

I still stand by my original post, but simple and to the point is always better. :D

I understand you are new to this but here are a few things about enclosures and keeping snakes

• There is more than one way to successfully keep an animal as long as it's needs are met.
  
• Your (or my personal) like or dislike are irrelevant when it comes to keeping a snake what is relevant is that as owner you meet the needs of your animal and that your animal is healthy and eating with consistency.

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Originally Posted by boafa

I just dump um all in Tupperware.......and check on em every couple of months

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:8: I'm sorry....this just made me lol several times...

I think that if tubs were so bad and unappropriate for BPs, then the majority of owners, whether they owned 5 or 500 would have them in tanks, not tubs. But, the exact opposite is what occurs. The original decision to switch that was made a long time ago by keepers, was I'm sure, made with a lot of reasoning and logic behind it..... I personally switched from tanks to tubs for several reasons, but am nonetheless glad I did it. I did it with the snakes needs in mind, not for my own, or for aesthetic reasons.

My teacher had a ball python in a tank for a while. It never shed right and ate maybe once a month. he sold it and the new owner says it's doing great in it's new bin.

If you think your way of doing things is so superior, then why post here? Go start your own message board where you and other people like yourself can sit on your thumbs, and talk about how awesome you are.

My snakes are in plastic, have been in plastic, and will ALWAYS be in plastic because it is what is best for them. They never stress, I haven't had a snake fast yet, and they're eating, healthy and happy. Temps and humidity are spot on, and just because they're in plastic doesn't mean you can't give them realistic hides, plants, or anything else you feel like putting in there. Honestly, if the snake is happy with a bare naked bin with only a water bowl to sit in, that's fine with me too. The important thing is that the snake remains happy.

And why disclude breeders? They keep their snakes in plastic bins - just like keepers do - and for all of the same reasons. If you're looking down on keepers who keep snakes in bins, then you're doing it to breeders too, because the only difference between them and us IMO is that they breed and sell their snakes and have made a business out of their bp's. They enjoy their snakes just as much as keepers do, their snakes are as much of a hobby as keepers' are, and they keep their snakes in bins to keep their snakes happy just as keepers do.

It's for the welfare of the snake. If I ever come across a bp that feels better in a tank, then fine, that's what I'll do, but I haven't yet and I don't think I will.

If your snake is happy in a tank, then fine. Keep it happy, and keep it healthy. Just don't look down on the rest of us because of it, because our snakes are just as healthy and happy -- if not, then more so -- as yours is. You don't see people with bins talking down on you as if your way of doing things are inferior, so stop and think the next time you decide to be snarky.

Sorry if I sound like [a jerk], but come on. :taz:

You know I have mine in a plastic cage right now, It's okay, but I am quickly learning why racks are popular for BP's


Thussly I am saving up money for a boaphile with tubs :P

Tubs can be as clear as the glass on tanks. Why does it even matter that a snake's habitat is made out of plastic instead of glass? That's where I'm getting confused upon. It really makes no sense to where you're getting at.

You might dislike tubs, but many of us breeders and herpteculturists find tubs to be very helpful to use when keeping a large amount of snakes or even find it helpful if you only own one snake.

It might not look as good, but really you should not care what it looks like if it makes the snake happier than you. The snake is 100% dependent on you so that means you should give it the enclosure it will feel most secure and to where it keeps up with its requirements.

Most of us really won't change our mind on tubs. I know I won't. And I believe many BP.netters will agree with me when I say that you shouldn't be so negative about tubs and making threads on how they aren't good for snakes.

If you wanna talk negatively about it then I suggest creating your own blog and ranting there instead of here.

im sorry is this the third thread?