Difference between lesser platinum & butter

These threads are confusing me! They seem to be going in circles (and I'm not just talking about my eyes) I have been trying to read these threads for about a week, after seeing a great looking snake on display. Since the tank wasn't marked I asked, and he said it was a butter...but when I looked at it again, it hardly had any black or even dark brown on it at all, I was a bit confused

From what I had noticed I prefer the lighter colored ones, and when I look at their titles they usually seem to be labeled lessers..

however the darker ones ones with more of a yellow tint/hue usually were labeled butters.. (I kept remembering what garlic butter toast looks like, bright color with some darkened tinge on it)

Mind you, this was going by my own kinda rule of thumb = observation + preference. Mabye I got it all backwards? :confused:

I guess maybe its easier just to call it all the same thing :D

Resurrecting an old thread, I know, but...
Here's my only issue with calling them the same:

Although breeding a lesser to a butter WILL give you a BEL, if you breed that BEL to a normal, you still have a 25% chance of producing a normal...which means the BEL you have is NOT a super.
If you produce a super butter BEL, you have 0% chance of producing a normal with it's offspring.

Compatible, and very similar- but not the same.

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Originally Posted by Christopher Pilgrim

Resurrecting an old thread, I know, but...
Here's my only issue with calling them the same:

Although breeding a lesser to a butter WILL give you a BEL, if you breed that BEL to a normal, you still have a 25% chance of producing a normal...which means the BEL you have is NOT a super.
If you produce a super butter BEL, you have 0% chance of producing a normal with it's offspring.

Compatible, and very similar- but not the same.

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Is this proven that a lesser/Butter BEL produces normals but a Lesser/Lesser or Butter/Butter BEL does not?

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Originally Posted by Christopher Pilgrim

Resurrecting an old thread, I know, but...
Here's my only issue with calling them the same:

Although breeding a lesser to a butter WILL give you a BEL, if you breed that BEL to a normal, you still have a 25% chance of producing a normal...which means the BEL you have is NOT a super.
If you produce a super butter BEL, you have 0% chance of producing a normal with it's offspring.

Compatible, and very similar- but not the same.

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This is incorrect. A BEL no matter how it is created will produce all morph babies, no normals.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

This is incorrect. A BEL no matter how it is created will produce all morph babies, no normals.

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Right, a ButterXLesser BEL when bred to a normal would produce offspring with 50% chance of being butter and 50% chance of being lesser.

Ok I breed lesser x butter and get a Bel, and breed that Bel with a normal how can you tell what morphs the baby's will be when they hatch? If you cant tell the difference in the lesser or butter how do you lable them for sale?

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Originally Posted by Mastil

Ok I breed lesser x butter and get a Bel, and breed that Bel with a normal how can you tell what morphs the baby's will be when they hatch? If you cant tell the difference in the lesser or butter how do you lable them for sale?

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They're the same price so it really doesn't matter. I hope somone does it though because it's annoying when I try to explain to my friend what morphs are when I have to say "lesser" or "butter"...

And to correct the poster who resurrected this old thread, BEL x normal = no normals. I don't know where you got that from, but it is incorrect. The only way that a BEL x normal can produce a normal is if it's a split cluch, or retained sperm from previous breedings.

If you breed a butter/lesser bel to a normal, from everything I've heard so far, all of the offspring will be butter/lesser (not distinctly one or the other). Since you can't tell them apart, what you choose to label them as is up to you. Originally, butter and lesser looked distinct, but as continued breeding has been done, they're a lot less distinct now. Unlike Mojave/Lesser, there is nothing to suggest that butter and lesser aren't simply color-bred versions of the exact same mutation (lemon pastel and Graziani pastel would be another example of this).

Mojave and Mystic look extremely similar in some cases, but when you breed them, what you produce is different. A mystic potion does NOT look like super-mojave BEL. Therefore, it's obvious that mystic and mojave are different mutations. The same cannot be said of lesser and butter.

butter or lesser?
http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/s...chago11/lb.jpg

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Originally Posted by chago11

butter or lesser?
http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/s...chago11/lb.jpg

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I really couldn't tell you, I've produced lessers that look like both.