Wow is all I have to say

But there are already laws in place for res turtles. We are all aware of the dangers of salmonella in reptiles. But how many people have actually gotten it? Ive never heard of any one I know get it from a snake. There are TONS of ways to get salmonella so why not ban all them to? Ban all our food products because we can get diseases from them also.

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Originally Posted by Eventide

"The HSUS opposes the sale of dogs, cats, and other animals through pet stores and other commercial operations."

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This makes a lot of sense if you look at it from their angle. And honestly, I agree with it, to an extent.

Have you ever worked at an animal shelter? like, a real rescue center?

Dogs and Cats ARE over populated, and there are disgusting puppy mills out there that help to drive that commercial industry. Little Sue has to have that $1,000 dollar puppy at the puppy mart because it just looks so cute. 6 months later, we'd receive it at the SPCA.

There are a LOT of good animals in shelters - and I learned that first hand.

Now, I DON'T discount good dog breeders with high standards. They do exist, and I know that there are good people that are willing to pay top dollar for an animal with lineage records. I get that, and don't hold any ill feelings towards reputable breeders and people that want history. After all, we do that all the time in the reptile industry :gj:

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Originally Posted by Denial

we dont need any miracle. We need people to stand up for what they believe in and fight for there rights to own whatever animal they are capable of caring for.

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I don't mean to play the devil's advocate, but we don't have the "RIGHT" to keep our herps. No where in the Constitution does it ensure we can keep reptiles as pets. I'm a firm belliever in an article of the Constitution that is clearly covered in written words and we're losing a little bit at a time, the second amendment.

So how are we, as herp collectors or pet owners, ever going to "stand up" for something that we believe in? That and $1 will get you a small cup of coffee.

The only way to beat this is to contact our representatives and let them know that you will not vote for them again,if they vote for this bill and it passes. VOTES are what counts. Our representatives don't care what laws are passed, they only worry about passing a bill that will cost them votes.

You can call, fax, email or contact them any way you want. If you try to explain your point of view and expect them to understand and feel comnpassion for you, you've got another thing coming. Many times they don't read the bills presented to them. They may have as assistant read it, but most of the times, they find out what the senior representative is doing and they vote the same way.

They don't realize that the issue of releasing large boids is a regional issue and should NEVER be taken up for consideration within the Federal government. They are on point for some special interest group that for some reason has taken up this cause. I'm telling all of you that unless your representative feels his career is in jeopardy, they will not think twice about passing this bill.

I will tell you another thing. This bill will have so many amendments added, that will have nothing to do with the original bill. Many times this is why a bill is submitted. It's submitted without care if that particular bill is passed or not, but it's an avenue for them to add amendments to the bill that is their real interest.

I'd love to see what amendments will be tagged onto this one. Probably some type of Everglades cleanup, or something else like that.

Threaten your representative with votes is the only way this bill will fail.

Just one man's opinion.
Jim Smith

I really should have researched this ball python thing more before i got into it
:( My collection will be up for sale ............................i am so so stupided!!!

In the end, stand together, follow the lead of the established individuals in the snake and reptile industry, support or organizations and we will succeed:)!

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Originally Posted by Kysenia

I really should have researched this ball python thing more before i got into it
:( My collection will be up for sale ............................i am so so stupided!!!

In the end, stand together, follow the lead of the established individuals in the snake and reptile industry, support or organizations and we will succeed:)!

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i thought ball pythons are not included in any of the banning of snakes?

Too bad HSUS doesn't care about science. They should take into account this study:

http://www.cdc.gov/enterics/publicat...94-merminj.pdf

...which says that out of ALL the salmonellosis cases in the U.S., about 6% of them are attributed to reptiles. What's more,

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Of all Salmonella serotypes, 40% have been cultured predominantly from reptiles and are rarely found in other animals or humans. Human infections with these serotypes frequently indicate a reptile source [14]. However, <1% of human Salmonella infections are caused by these “reptile-associated” serotypes [13].

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What I take that to mean is that, out of that 6% of "reptile-related" cases, most of them did not ACTUALLY originate from the reptile. So the vast majority of salmonellosis is NOT from reptiles. If HSUS is SO concerned about salmonella, why don't they work on banning meat and eggs? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Crazy4Herps

And salmonella my foot! I never wash my hands after handling snakes (with the obvious exception of QT'ed snakes, but that's for their health, not mine) and have let them hang out in the kitchen and dining room for years and the only person in my household who has ever had salmonella acquired it from undercooked eggs.

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That's like saying, most people don't get killed in car accidents, so I'm going to drive recklessly without a seatbelt.

Please, be a little hygiene conscious. We don't want the salmonella statistics to go up because reptile owners were irresponsible.

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

I'm a firm belliever in an article of the Constitution that is clearly covered in written words and we're losing a little bit at a time, the second amendment.

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isnt the second amendment the right to bear arms?

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Originally Posted by bamf64

People need to read this. I think its just rediculous. If you disagree with all said on this link below, reply, "Herps forever, back down we will never!"

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...ile_trade.html

Herps forever, back down we will never! :salute:

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The humane society should offer fact-based information before they shoot off their mouths...

http://www.riobravoreptiles.com/care_fatalities.htm

SOURCES: National Center for Health Statistics, CDC; American Cancer Society; National Safety Council; International Federation of Red Cross
and Red Crescent Societies; World Health Organization; USGS; Clark Chapman, SwRI; David Morrison, NASA; Michael Paine, Planetary Society Australian Volunteers

This info was made available by Rio Bravo Reptiles, I just thought it was relevant to post it.

Brandon

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Originally Posted by icygirl

Too bad HSUS doesn't care about science. They should take into account this study:

http://www.cdc.gov/enterics/publicat...94-merminj.pdf

...which says that out of ALL the salmonellosis cases in the U.S., about 6% of them are attributed to reptiles. What's more,



What I take that to mean is that, out of that 6% of "reptile-related" cases, most of them did not ACTUALLY originate from the reptile. So the vast majority of salmonellosis is NOT from reptiles. If HSUS is SO concerned about salmonella, why don't they work on banning meat and eggs? :rolleyes:

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You beat me to it. It's infuriating how much false information this group tries to pass off as "science."