Het axanthic markers?

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Originally Posted by jsmorphs2

Both of my 100% het VPI Axanthics have light head spots but so do all my other hets (pied, hypo, clown). Don't know if that helps or not.

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I think about 50% of my collection, morph or not has a light head spot

Bringing this one back to the top as im interested to see if theres any further info on any axanthic markers??:)

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...an/Markers.jpg


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LOL ouch... :rofl::rofl:

This is what I know from my nearly 10 years experience with Pieds, het Pieds, and combos. Animals from my line have reliable markers to indicate they are het Pied. Those of you that say there is no reliable het Pied marker must not have much experience producing them or their combos. If you would like to see pictures, I would be happy to post dozens of them.

As for het Axanthic markers, I can only comment on the VPI line.....and yes there are indications of hets at least when combined with Pastel and Spider, and even more so with Bumble Bees. This was discovered very early on by some of the bigger guys when the first Pastels and Bees het Axanthic were produced. I have seen it first hand in my own collection the last two seasons. With Pastel, Spider, and Bee het axanthics you have a reduction of yellow giving the animals an overall lighter appearance at hatching.

I really don't care if it is recessive or co-dom, but it's getting a little redundant of some people discrediting the het markers, especially the het Pieds, when there are countless small and LARGE breeders that have proven them over and over......Pete Kahl being the first to notice and he held all of his possible hets back while selling all of his 100% hets. He is the true king of Pieds for those that don't know.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...an/Markers.jpg


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Finally!!! someone with humor!http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...aughing025.gif

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

This is what I know from my nearly 10 years experience with Pieds, het Pieds, and combos. Animals from my line have reliable markers to indicate they are het Pied. Those of you that say there is no reliable het Pied marker must not have much experience producing them or their combos. If you would like to see pictures, I would be happy to post dozens of them.

As for het Axanthic markers, I can only comment on the VPI line.....and yes there are indications of hets at least when combined with Pastel and Spider, and even more so with Bumble Bees. This was discovered very early on by some of the bigger guys when the first Pastels and Bees het Axanthic were produced. I have seen it first hand in my own collection the last two seasons. With Pastel, Spider, and Bee het axanthics you have a reduction of yellow giving the animals an overall lighter appearance at hatching.

I really don't care if it is recessive or co-dom, but it's getting a little redundant of some people discrediting the het markers, especially the het Pieds, when there are countless small and LARGE breeders that have proven them over and over......Pete Kahl being the first to notice and he held all of his possible hets back while selling all of his 100% hets. He is the true king of Pieds for those that don't know.

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Thanks for the info! I couldn't agree more on het pieds. Actually the reason I brought it up is I have a 100% het pied poss axanthic female, who with any luck will be breeding this season. Thought I would see if there was any progress in finding markers. I will do it the right way and breed her and find out :).

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

As for het Axanthic markers, I can only comment on the VPI line.....and yes there are indications of hets at least when combined with Pastel and Spider, and even more so with Bumble Bees. This was discovered very early on by some of the bigger guys when the first Pastels and Bees het Axanthic were produced. I have seen it first hand in my own collection the last two seasons. With Pastel, Spider, and Bee het axanthics you have a reduction of yellow giving the animals an overall lighter appearance at hatching.

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I have no where near your experience, but I admit I was surprised at how light this little girl came out (the only het that came out of my first and only clutch, the others were visuals), and also how ill tempered she is!
Bee 100% het VPI
http://i1029.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7fb2ee7c.jpg
http://i1029.photobucket.com/albums/...psad4df5b0.jpg

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because a recessive trait can have "markers" doesn't make it codominant. A "marker" is not the same thing as a visual phenotype. Albino is only albino if it has BOTH copies of the recessive trait.
Piebald is only Piebald when it has BOTH copies of said recessive trait. These affects or "markers" can be caused by pleiotropy or even epistasis as well by many other reasons.
Albinos, piebalds, clowns, etc. all produce a recessive phenotype that is only visible in the homozygous genotype.

We have a pair of het axanthics and neither one of them looks any different than a normal.

sent from my incubator

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just because a recessive trait can have "markers" doesn't make it codominant. A "marker" is not the same thing as a visual phenotype. Albino is only albino if it has BOTH copies of the recessive trait.
Piebald is only Piebald when it has BOTH copies of said recessive trait. These affects or "markers" can be caused by pleiotropy or even epistasis as well by many other reasons.
Albinos, piebalds, clowns, etc. all produce a recessive phenotype that is only visible in the homozygous genotype.

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Based off of what you say here then a Lesser is not co-dominant it is recessive... Reasoning behind is a BEL is only a BEL it is not a lesser... Same can be said for most co-dom morphs out there. It has to have both copies to show the "super" form... How is being a lesser any different than having het pied markers that change the appearance of the snake? Or any others listed? They all change the look of the animal.