I think my snake loves me

I'm surprised this thread is still active, and going strong. What happening to letting things go with dignity? lol

i think they love you in their own way, its not like doesnt know you, cause they do, and they feel safe and secure with you, and that feeling is like love... i like to think that you create a bond with your pets no matter what is that pet, but a bond its create and you and your pets knows about it

I dont think they "love" someone but they know who you are i have let other people hold him and he just sits there no tongue flickers and does not move. But when i hold him his tongue if flickering and he is moving around and exploring.

Dan

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Originally Posted by JasonGranger

If a ball python thrives in a simplistic setup, wouldn't that mean it was okay with it? If it "didn't like it," don't you think there would be repercussions? I.E., stress. Look at breeders like Adam, NERD, etc. Their ball pythons are kept in simplistic setups, and they eat, shed, poop, breed, etc. I think that's a good way of judging if your snake "likes" his home.

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I don't know. People in jail eat, shed, pop and breed if given the chance, yet i don't think they necesarily like it. Just because an animal can tolerate something doesn't mean they are in *optimal* conditions. I can´t agree with your use of the word thrive, i would substitute it for survive, just as humans in jails and lions in zoos.

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Originally Posted by nebby3103

Is there another side? We call upon science to solve these problems. Science has proven you wrong. Reptiles cannot experience human emotions in the way you claim they can.

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Science and scientific "knowledge and facts" changes every hundred years, or fifty years, five years or every year.
Earth was flat, then Columbus happened.
Earth was the center of the universe and stationary.
Remeber that planet called Pluto? Not a planet anymore.
¿Remember the asteroid that killed off the dinasaurs? May have been a coincidence.
Microscopic life, find evidence from before the 1600's.
Relativity anyone?

Neuroscience and behavioral psychology are just now getting started, give it some time and perhaps we will see lots of new journal reasearch pointing to new evidence on snake "feelings" and "emotions". With time lots of things will change. People used to say emotions and such were not caused by biochemical-neuro-reactions, but it has been proven that "love" and "attraction" are all induced by chemical reactions.

I rest my case, there is no such thing as Scientific Knowlege, only a temporaraly accepted explanation of phenomenons.

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Originally Posted by KiwisHeaven

My Big red tail, Calla, strikes at drunk people... I think she understands more then people give her credit for.

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An adult BP i rescued is also ANTI-BOOZE. You can open a beer in the room, within 10 minutes she is in a striking position pointed towards whoever is holding the beer. If you have had a beer, don't even consider opening her enclosure because she will strike at you. If you touch her she starts hissing like crazy. Even 8-12 hours after you have drunk, post shower and teeth brushing, she will not let you handle her. Weirdest thing i have ever seen.

BTW, she is an incredibly tame BP, she will leave her hide to rest on your hand, will sit on your lap for hours. I guess she just enjoys dry socializing.

I love my snakes and thats all that matters to me!

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Originally Posted by Denial

I love my snakes and thats all that matters to me!

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+1

i feel the same way,

I take good care of my pets.

They show it, and if they are capable of knowing it then they know it.

then again it's hard to train reptiles in mma to compete against each other...

I'm happy to know that they feel like eating and sleeping and reproducing.

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Originally Posted by Angelique

Science and scientific "knowledge and facts" changes every hundred years, or fifty years, five years or every year.
Earth was flat, then Columbus happened.
Earth was the center of the universe and stationary.
Remeber that planet called Pluto? Not a planet anymore.
¿Remember the asteroid that killed off the dinasaurs? May have been a coincidence.
Microscopic life, find evidence from before the 1600's.
Relativity anyone?

Neuroscience and behavioral psychology are just now getting started, give it some time and perhaps we will see lots of new journal reasearch pointing to new evidence on snake "feelings" and "emotions". With time lots of things will change. People used to say emotions and such were not caused by biochemical-neuro-reactions, but it has been proven that "love" and "attraction" are all induced by chemical reactions.

I rest my case, there is no such thing as Scientific Knowlege, only a temporaraly accepted explanation of phenomenons.

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That is ridiculous.

The earth was not flat, people believed it was flat.

The earth was not the center of the universe, people believed it was.

That planet called Pluto got demoted. Its still there. We just call it something different. Nothing changed about it. We reclassify things all the time.

That asteroid was a coincidence. It wasn't sent here to kill dinosaurs. dinosaurs didn't even go extinct they evolved into birds. Humans being wrong about that THEORY can hardly be used to discredit anything. It was never scientific fact in the first place.

Microscopic life existed before the 1600's and we found it when we got the tools to see things that small, again has nothing to do with the argument.

What about Relativity, seriously what are you getting at.

The people who believe in things without any proof believed that emotions were not caused by biochemical-neuro-reactions and eventually we managed convince enough people that was dumb and we ignore the people who are left.

In every one of your examples, except the relativity one which I don't get, you show people believing something based on limited understanding of the world around them. In every case a greater understanding of the world around them showed us that there is a better theory that explains what we see.

Scientific Knowledge is the temporarily accepted explanation of phenomenons. They are not two different things they are the same. I think that based on the evidence I have scene snakes don't have the emotion of love as we define it. So unless you can refute the evidence you aren't changing my mind. I am not saying that snakes are not amazing creatures capable of complex behaviors that we are far from understanding. They are truly amazing. They don't have the parts of the brain necessary to love the way humans do however. So unless they are hiding a more complex brain someplace I am just not with the "my snake loves me" camp.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

That is ridiculous.

The earth was not flat, people believed it was flat.

The earth was not the center of the universe, people believed it was.

That planet called Pluto got demoted. Its still there. We just call it something different. Nothing changed about it. We reclassify things all the time.

That asteroid was a coincidence. It wasn't sent here to kill dinosaurs. dinosaurs didn't even go extinct they evolved into birds. Humans being wrong about that THEORY can hardly be used to discredit anything. It was never scientific fact in the first place.

Microscopic life existed before the 1600's and we found it when we got the tools to see things that small, again has nothing to do with the argument.

What about Relativity, seriously what are you getting at.

The people who believe in things without any proof believed that emotions were not caused by biochemical-neuro-reactions and eventually we managed convince enough people that was dumb and we ignore the people who are left.

In every one of your examples, except the relativity one which I don't get, you show people believing something based on limited understanding of the world around them. In every case a greater understanding of the world around them showed us that there is a better theory that explains what we see.

Scientific Knowledge is the temporarily accepted explanation of phenomenons. They are not two different things they are the same. I think that based on the evidence I have scene snakes don't have the emotion of love as we define it. So unless you can refute the evidence you aren't changing my mind. I am not saying that snakes are not amazing creatures capable of complex behaviors that we are far from understanding. They are truly amazing. They don't have the parts of the brain necessary to love the way humans do however. So unless they are hiding a more complex brain someplace I am just not with the "my snake loves me" camp.

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OK what about GOD ? You can look at it 50 thousand diff ways so for you to think you know it all look at what he was saying again have an open mind !