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I feel like I smell BS here given how far past the expected pip we are. If they were the true first offspring from a female desert I feel like someone here would have heard about it by now.

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Originally Posted by gsarchie

I feel like I smell BS here given how far past the expected pip we are. If they were the true first offspring from a female desert I feel like someone here would have heard about it by now.

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I disagree. With the circus surrounding this issue, I wouldn't blame them for waiting until the hatchlings have shed and fed before posting more about them.

They also aren't regular members of this forum, so may have forgotten this particular thread. Has anyone checked the BLBC or fauna?

OP's snake laid her eggs on 7/5 so we wouldn't hear anything about them just yet. I missed when the other female laid her eggs.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Again, when you're right you're right. Call me what you want, but surely we'd hear about it by now. They'd scream to the high heavens if it was a desert.

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not necessarily. I've never felt the need to shout anything to the heavens, although I hope I'm seized by such passion one day. most people don't feel compelled to share their pairings and breeding stats with the forums. especially when Family Reptiles only signed on to bp.net in support of someone else's (potential) desert clutch. we get lucky with the benefit of many experienced people willing to share ideas and information. even though I would probably share the outcome, there's no obligation to post results.

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Originally Posted by wwmjkd

not necessarily. I've never felt the need to shout anythin to the heavens, although I hope I'm seized by such passion one day. most people don't feel compelled to share their pairings and breeding stats with the forums. especially when Family Reptiles only signed on to bp.net in support of someone else's (potential) desert clutch

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And I get that, but anyone can feel hype even over the Internet. I just feel like the result would be all over the hobby by now.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

im not excited at all.

if the breeding of desert females most times just doesnt work, and sometimes ends in disaster and the death of the female, and in this one rare case it works.... So what? Now lets say it works. It will cause others to also try, which will most likely lead to failed clutches and potentially even a few dead desert females. Now lets say the odds are good and new female deserts are produced in this clutch, of course they will be raised up and breeding will again be tried. What if everything goes wrong then? What if this one female produced this one healthy clutch, but then all further attempts to produce a second clutch fail?

for me to be excited about it would require the production of a super desert. As far as we know, its the female fertility issues that prevent the production of a super desert, apart from that it may be entirely possible to produce one.

why take all the risk, why risk the health of a BP, when there is no real reward at the end? Why do it, if you produce nothing that cannot be produced by using a male desert?

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Is Super Desert not only a speculative possibility. Not proven to be either dominant or incomplete dominant(codom) with any degree of certainty other than it must be one of the two.

As for why it is important, it is a stellar looking morph that has not seen its' full potential due exclusively to the sterility/breeding issues with females.
If this turns out to be a line of Desert or a desert lookalike without the same problem, projects will explode offering enthusiasts new healthy combinations.
If it is instead a case of one morph cancelling out the small oviduct problem growth will be much slower since there is little known about morphs causing unusually large oviducts.

Just an update for everyone. The eggs are doing well and are due around the 5th of next month respectfully. As things progress I'll keep everyone updated regardless of the outcome be it a Desert that crawls from the eggs (which I have faith in) or something else (which I doubt). For the record as well, when I did a Google search for "pastel deserts" a few weeks back and this photo came up in the mix which looked interesting.

Regards,

Joe

Cross Exotics

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sertPastel.jpg

Nope, i'm with kodie. I came off like a {removed} in this thread calling both of them out but i still think i'm right. Anna said that she saw family reptiles female desert in person at a show or something and said it looked like a desert. I respect her opinion but I still disagree.

If i had hatched deserts i'd be posting them everywhere. They were the ones who came here and built it up that they'd have them. Now their clutch is like a week past hatch date and they're still MIA. I can see the other side of it though too, wanting to keep it a secret. I just wouldn't do it that way, personally.

I expect witchbane to update us as soon as his crawl out of the eggs!! :p

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Nope, i'm with kodie. I came off like a {removed} in this thread calling both of them out but i still think i'm right. Anna said that she saw family reptiles female desert in person at a show or something and said it looked like a desert. I respect her opinion but I still disagree.

If i had hatched deserts i'd be posting them everywhere. They were the ones who came here and built it up that they'd have them. Now their clutch is like a week past hatch date and they're still MIA. I can see the other side of it though too, wanting to keep it a secret. I just wouldn't do it that way, personally.

I expect witchbane to update us as soon as his crawl out of the eggs!! :p

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Hatch date at what temperature?
It is my understanding that one of the theories regarding these snakes is husbandry and hatching could require cooler temps. Just throwing it out there. I remain skeptical but hopeful.
And, as I've said before I honestly don't mind if it is a Desert look-alike that they are onto or an actual Desert. IMHO Desert pattern blows Enchi out of the water, so any snake new or old with that appearance and few to minimal problems is going to capture my interest.

Don't know if anyone watched Snake Bytes today, but they showed a pastel desert.

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