My dealings with MKR

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Originally Posted by Anca

I just don't understand the need to trash people I don't personally know.

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she doesn't personally know them :cool:

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

she doesn't personally know them :cool:

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'they cant be all that bad' ;)

Well Steve claimed to be a customer when he is acctually employed by them.....lies surround these boys.

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Originally Posted by Anca

Sorry guys, it's still just a small group rambling on, not providing any truth as to the care, service, and quality of their ball pythons.

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Well, I'm part of the small group and I haven't made a single bad remark as to their care or quality of their ball pythons. As for their service, the comments they've made about other breeders, and in fact, breeders in general should give a clear indication of their "service".

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BTW, Mr. Pythons, Bush was elected by an American majority, but that's politics.

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Twice actually. And according to test scores we are the dumbest industrialized nation in the world. Coincidence? I think not.

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Again I must state the obvious, no one entity is going to effect the market as a whole, nobody has that many animals, NOBODY!!

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Well, according to the laws of economics you are dead wrong. A lot of people talk about supply and demand like it's the single law of economics. But it is not, and in fact, it's not even the first law (in economics we call them assumptions, but it's really semantics).

The first assumption of economics is that a particular product holds value. Now we have a "market" for Mojave's, and let's say that market was 100 people (that's pretty high, since we can argue that it's unlikely 100 people were looking to specifically purchase a Mojave).

Now, MKR releases 50 products at 50% of the market value. So, of those 100 people, we have 50 that purchased snakes and as such, we have 50% market diffusion (I realize this is oversimplified, but again we set the number very high [100] to have a very reasonable margin of error).

Since we had such a SUDDEN diffusion of the market, now the whole supply and demand market have crashed. Supply dramatically increases, because Mojaves just lost their investment value, so as a result more companies (breeders) decide to withdraw from the investment, and demand decreases substantially, not only because the 50 Mojaves hit the market, but also because the perceived investment value has decreased.

We all know what happens when supply is high, but demand decreases right? The products actual value decreases. Mojave market crashes, and now we are seeing sub-$1000 prices on a previously $1600-$2000 product.

In essence, you are completely wrong. According to the assumptions of price and supply & demand, one company can very EASILY crash a sector of the ball python market, and can quite EASILY do it again.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

I see it more like....

You just checked out at Walmart with $200 in groceries, then the next person in line was only charged $100 for the same amount of stuff. So to find out what is going on you ask a manager and they tell you " Right after your purchase we got in a big shipment of goods and now have alot to sell, so we are cutting our prices in half."

Walmart or not....I would always be hesitant purchasing from them again....Because only heaven knows, next time when you buy your groceries for $100...the guy right behind you is only going to have to pay $50 ;)

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Its like when you get the latest gaming system for $499 when it first comes out, and then the following season, its $299..... The only difference is, now it's obsolete.... It'd be totally different if the $200 price drop was the next hour instead of the next year...

The difference is a gaming system is like a car... it immediately depreciates in value as soon as you take it out of the store... The animals that we're working with actually APPRECIATE and are considered by many as investment items.... or at least the normal females do...

Wow, I get busy with work and don't troll the forums for a month and look what I miss.


My main question regards quality. Who in their right mind would purchase low quality mojaves, etc, from MKR? An earlier post stated that these were the lower quality ones (not directly from MKR so who knows?) but that just seems like bad business sense.... Why pay $800 for a low quality when you can pay $2000 for a high quality one, if you intend on breeding.

Selective Breeding is what will keep the market alive, I mean look at pastels.... Some barely look yellow, while others are amazingly bright.... I've seen lowend pastel males for $200 and bright yellow blonds with proof of their fathers brightness holding, for well over $1000.

As long as customers/breeders have the common sense to pay for quality instead of quanity, I would hope the market would suffer less from events like this.

Then again, I like fairy tales :(

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Originally Posted by Anca

There's nothing wrong with MKR as far as I can tell, just seems a small group of folks just want to say bad things about them.
Their website is nice, and from what I understand the quality of the animals is excellent, so in my book they can't be all that bad.
The market is just way to large for any one group to do any real damage to it, I would say live and let live myself.
My two cents worth anyway.

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You're kidding, right? Go to the Fauna BOI and read the two threads on the first page about MKR and then come back and tell us what you think about Mr. Joe Capone. He crucifies himself. But I also think it's interesting that you recently joined and have only posted on MKR related threads. Something smells rotten in Denmark!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

You're kidding, right? Go to the Fauna BOI and read the two threads on the first page about MKR and then come back and tell us what you think about Mr. Joe Capone. He crucifies himself. But I also think it's interesting that you recently joined and have only posted on MKR related threads. Something smells rotten in Denmark!

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Hey now! I left Denmark 2 weeks ago after my tour of Europe was over.... you can't pin this on me!!

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

Hey now! I left Denmark 2 weeks ago after my tour of Europe was over.... you can't pin this on me!!

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Why not? I thought you were the guy we pinned everything on!!! :D :sabduel:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Why not? I thought you were the guy we pinned everything on!!! :D :sabduel:

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I do get pinned a lot :oops: