what kind of BP is this? I am so confused...

You got to understand, people don't so much care about you or what you are or are not scared of, but they care that the animals are treated properly. As I said before, I am not going to attack you over any of this, but the photos just make you look bad, regardless of how well you take care of them, and I do believe you take care of them well, but the floor thing is kinda freaky to me.

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You got to understand, people don't so much care about you or what you are or are not scared of, but they care that the animals are treated properly. As I said before, I am not going to attack you over any of this, but the photos just make you look bad, regardless of how well you take care of them, and I do believe you take care of them well, but the floor thing is kinda freaky to me.

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Understandably, but its a floor in Florida and im 100% positive its not below 80 degrees... and then what about outdoor enclosures?? Is it wrong to feed them outside as well?? ... and no worries im not getting upset at anyone... im just curious...

I never have fed out of the enclosures. Mine all get fed in the tubs and I have no issues with feeding responses. I dont think that it will hurt the snakes on a warm floor, but to me it is just more un-needed work to do when feeding. I would check the floor with a temp gun tho. Concrete has a way of pulling the cold out of the ground, no matter what climate you are in. When I lived in Hawaii my floors were what I would have considered too cold for a reptile, but if you are good then you are good.

Do you guys really need to talk all this crap to this person???? So you house your snakes different than they do......WHO CARES(this doesn't make you any better than them)!!!!!! I'm sure that everybody on BP.net likes this site right? I'm sure we would all love the comfort of other users (new ones at that) right? What makes you guys think that the OP would ever tell thier friends positive things about this site? Snakes eat in the wild all the time and they do just fine. Mind you, in the wild there is much more harm in the dirt than anything on a persons floor at thier house. So it might be a bit colder than the enclosure. I have talked to professional breeders, who are doing a lot bigger things than a lot of the people on this site, who have had thier snake room temps drop super low during the winter and thier snakes are still breathing and producing big healthy clutches. Have some diplomacy guys. Is this way you would like to be treated? Even if thier husbandry is completely wrong, a suggestion goes much further than an attack.;) I become more and more disgusted with peoples actions on here everyday. If I leave this site I will be definately tell everybody I know to stay away from here. There are good members(they know who they are). Unfortunately, the negative stands out much more.

Just a note--letting snakes bite you does not teach them any lessons in futility. They don't learn in that fashion.

It's better not to allow a snake to get so worked up that it tries to bite. If it does, then do whatever it is you have to do quickly, so that the snake has less time to get even more upset, and it can calm back down again. Keeping the snake in its comfort zone is a much better way to train it to tolerate handling.

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Do you guys really need to talk all this crap to this person???? So you house your snakes different than they do......WHO CARES(this doesn't make you any better than them)!!!!!! I'm sure that everybody on BP.net likes this site right? I'm sure we would all love the comfort of other users (new ones at that) right? What makes you guys think that the OP would ever tell thier friends positive things about this site? Snakes eat in the wild all the time and they do just fine. Mind you, in the wild there is much more harm in the dirt than anything on a persons floor at thier house. So it might be a bit colder than the enclosure. I have talked to professional breeders, who are doing a lot bigger things than a lot of the people on this site, who have had thier snake room temps drop super low during the winter and thier snakes are still breathing and producing big healthy clutches. Have some diplomacy guys. Is this way you would like to be treated? Even if thier husbandry is completely wrong, a suggestion goes much further than an attack.;) I become more and more disgusted with peoples actions on here everyday. If I leave this site I will be definately tell everybody I know to stay away from here. There are good members(they know who they are). Unfortunately, the negative stands out much more.

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Just a note--letting snakes bite you does not teach them any lessons in futility. They don't learn in that fashion.

It's better not to allow a snake to get so worked up that it tries to bite. If it does, then do whatever it is you have to do quickly, so that the snake has less time to get even more upset, and it can calm back down again. Keeping the snake in its comfort zone is a much better way to train it to tolerate handling.

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It would see like common since right?


As for my snake.. we will have to see if he is granite or not.. Now some one told me that it could be banded is this true? or is it just how it is.. the snake as no aliens what so ever, mild speckling, and spider like bands on him, with a clear belly... there are normals like this?

Your snake could be het for something. But, trying to prove it out without knowing what it is would take too long. That being said, markers going down the side of the belly like that are usually pied markers. Again, you can't stand by that assumption alone. Try proving it out. Let us know how it goes.

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Your snake could be het for something. But, trying to prove it out without knowing what it is would take too long. That being said, markers going down the side of the belly like that are usually pied markers. Again, you can't stand by that assumption alone. Try proving it out. Let us know how it goes.

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Yea I will keep you guys up to date on him.

Thanks to every one for their inputs.

I'm sure you don't care for me to chime in here after all these people, but in I've had no problems with "nasty feeding responses". I feel like I have some credibility in this matter because I keep my snakes in the same room as my rat colony (which is only 12x12 feet).

I've had no problems with getting bit because they think I'm food. Granted I only have six snakes, but I've yet to be bitten. I do follow a ritual when feeding them so they know it's feeding time not by the smell, but by what I do. I take their water dish and hides out of the tubs and give them a minute before putting the food in. All six snakes take the food within a couple seconds of placing it in the tub.

I'm just saying this to tell you that in my experience I've not had any problems with feeding my snakes in their enclosures.

About your snake, with a clear belly there is a chance that he could be a het for something.

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I'm sure you don't care for me to chime in here after all these people, but in I've had no problems with "nasty feeding responses". I feel like I have some credibility in this matter because I keep my snakes in the same room as my rat colony (which is only 12x12 feet).

I've had no problems with getting bit because they think I'm food. Granted I only have six snakes, but I've yet to be bitten. I do follow a ritual when feeding them so they know it's feeding time not by the smell, but by what I do. I take their water dish and hides out of the tubs and give them a minute before putting the food in. All six snakes take the food within a couple seconds of placing it in the tub.

I'm just saying this to tell you that in my experience I've not had any problems with feeding my snakes in their enclosures.

About your snake, with a clear belly there is a chance that he could be a het for something.

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I appreciate your comment.
Yes and not all my snakes i feed this way. Only my large ones that tend to be a bit more of a agressive feeder. I have snakes that dont even strike at the food... just slither up and gentley bite it. but then i have my crazy feeders who would like to take your face off (because of their feeding responses).. like my 7 foot dumerils or those few ball pythons, so yes i feed out side the cage.

Thank you for your comment ^_^:gj:

The windows have granite-type speckling in them--in granites, the 'alien head' markings are replaced by that speckling. Since he has plenty of the speckling, he's not really reduced/banded. Check the 'Beginner's Guide to the Morphs' sticky post.
He is a granite. Whether he's a genetic granite is another story. Only proving him out will reveal that for sure.

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The windows have granite-type speckling in them--in granites, the 'alien head' markings are replaced by that speckling. Since he has plenty of the speckling, he's not really reduced/banded. Check the 'Beginner's Guide to the Morphs' sticky post.
He is a granite. Whether he's a genetic granite is another story. Only proving him out will reveal that for sure.

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I never have fed out of the enclosures. Mine all get fed in the tubs and I have no issues with feeding responses. I dont think that it will hurt the snakes on a warm floor, but to me it is just more un-needed work to do when feeding. I would check the floor with a temp gun tho. Concrete has a way of pulling the cold out of the ground, no matter what climate you are in. When I lived in Hawaii my floors were what I would have considered too cold for a reptile, but if you are good then you are good.

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I have also lived in Hawaii and now I live in central FL. Just for facts Florida is much much hotter then Hawaii is so I would not freak out at all If I did the same thing. If it was in a colder place maybe but it's Fl we have all these exotic animals living here and they are doing just fine eating outside. Quit making all this a huge issue because it really is not. And following up on twistedtails I couldn't agree any more.Lay off the the guy, people on here seem just to want to tell him what's right and what's wrong. NO ONE is perfect he has found a way to have his reptiles and he seems to be doing just fine. And I just checked the weather in Hawaii and it is 74 degrees.and right now here in FL it is 10:12 A.M and it is already 95 degrees.There is a huge difference there. So I just wanted to put my input in. Oh and if I had an aggressive snake and I wanted to take belly shots of it I would do the same thing. And for people thinking that he is breaking the neck or hurting it. If you don't know aggressive snakes whenever you hold them they try and pull away so instead of just jumping to conclusions why don't people examine what this guy wrote and then maybe think. (Hey he has an aggressive snake that wants to chew the hell out of him and he needs to show people what it's belly looks like.) What would you do in his position? I know a lot of people would probably do the same thing. It is only temporarily restraining the snake to get pictures. If anything like another person said on here it would probably stress the snake even more to have it bite you and it does not teach it never to bite again that's for sure. And in another picture he has the snake just hanging out so apparently he does not do that to the snake every time he takes pictures of it or whatever. So for all those that think it is animal cruelty just keep your comments to yourselves cause it is definitely not animal abuse and he seems to be feeding them well. Anyways that is my input in this.:snake2::carrot:



Lani~

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I have also lived in Hawaii and now I live in central FL. Just for facts Florida is much much hotter then Hawaii is so I would not freak out at all If I did the same thing. If it was in a colder place maybe but it's Fl we have all these exotic animals living here and they are doing just fine eating outside. Quit making all this a huge issue because it really is not. And following up on twistedtails I couldn't agree any more.Lay off the the guy, people on here seem just to want to tell him what's right and what's wrong. NO ONE is perfect he has found a way to have his reptiles and he seems to be doing just fine. And I just checked the weather in Hawaii and it is 74 degrees.and right now here in FL it is 10:12 A.M and it is already 95 degrees.There is a huge difference there. So I just wanted to put my input in. Oh and if I had an aggressive snake and I wanted to take belly shots of it I would do the same thing. And for people thinking that he is breaking the neck or hurting it. If you don't know aggressive snakes whenever you hold them they try and pull away so instead of just jumping to conclusions why don't people examine what this guy wrote and then maybe think. (Hey he has an aggressive snake that wants to chew the hell out of him and he needs to show people what it's belly looks like.) What would you do in his position? I know a lot of people would probably do the same thing. It is only temporarily restraining the snake to get pictures. If anything like another person said on here it would probably stress the snake even more to have it bite you and it does not teach it never to bite again that's for sure. And in another picture he has the snake just hanging out so apparently he does not do that to the snake every time he takes pictures of it or whatever. So for all those that think it is animal cruelty just keep your comments to yourselves cause it is definitely not animal abuse and he seems to be feeding them well. Anyways that is my input in this.:snake2::carrot:



Lani~

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I wasn't the one making the big deal out of it so do not quote my post. I have not said a single word negative to or about him yet so don't try to make me out to look like the bad guy.

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I wasn't the one making the big deal out of it so do not quote my post. I have not said a single word negative to or about him yet so don't try to make me out to look like the bad guy.

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:salute: No worries mate.
I'm sure she didnt mean any harm.
Thank you guys for your input!
I think my question has been answered.


After 12 pages.....
I'll keep you all posted.

-Ben

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I appreciate your comment.
Yes and not all my snakes i feed this way. Only my large ones that tend to be a bit more of a agressive feeder. I have snakes that dont even strike at the food... just slither up and gentley bite it. but then i have my crazy feeders who would like to take your face off (because of their feeding responses).. like my 7 foot dumerils or those few ball pythons, so yes i feed out side the cage.

Thank you for your comment ^_^:gj:

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If your snakes are still doing that, then maybe feeding outside the cage isn't working - even for you. Why would that help anyway? To make them associate handling with being fed? It seems rather counter intuitive. I have over 30 snakes (balls, bloods and a very naughty dumerils adoptee) and feed in cages. It has never caused a problem and is less stressful on the snake than getting pulled out and fed out in the open.