Buyers beware!

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Originally Posted by joepythons

You forgot the forum member sold him a snake

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Sorry, Forgot that one. :gj:

why would it matter over there

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Originally Posted by nixer

why would it matter over there

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Well over there you have to show proof before you slam someone.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Well over there you have to show proof before you slam someone.

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since when?

Well i placed a direct link to this thread over on the one on fauna incase someone wonders why you were asking about him.

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Originally Posted by nixer

since when?

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Since when indeed. I've seen people slam on people over there over mere accusations with no burden of proof what so ever. Not saying it's a bad thing in some cases but it happens, and not just there.

When things go from discussion to personal - threads close :)

I may re-open it and put the bickering in the Quarantine room.

Adam has registered on BP.net. This thread has been re-opened to allow Adam to respond, per his request.

An eye for an eye and the world would all go blind.

Who said that? ;)

Apparently, almost everyone here assumes it's alright to accuse the accuser of accusing the breeder.
Just because he did something wrong, doesn't make it anymore right that you do it too, especially when your accusations towards the OP are extremely rude. The funny thing about all the accusations, is you keep pushing him down, and won't let him stand up for himself. Just because he doesn't get on this forum every 10 minutes doesn't mean he's ignoring you.

I'm quite honestly ashamed with a lot of the members actions on this thread. I want to hear the breeder post, because I think he will be very informative and may solve this entire issue.

I can forgive the OP for the false accusations, what really pisses me off is this lady Deb, and what seems to be some personal vendetta against me. What's your deal? Get my phone # from the OP and we can have a real conversation. I have never scammed anyone. I am a small time breeder in PA. I do area shows. I rarely spend time online. I chose to do shows to meet other hobbyists in person. Obviously I buy a table at a show to sell my animals and make some money. The few dollars I made off the OP does not compare to the damage that he and Deb are doing to me online. I sold a female normal ball python to the OP. I bred the snake, I fed the snake, it was to my knowledge in perfect health at the time of the show. I care very much about the health and quality of my snakes. I answered numerous questions at the show for the OP. I don't recall him telling me he had 2 lights and an UTH setup on a 10 gallon tank. I would not have recommended that. This show was not well attended. Most of the day there were more vendors than customers there. So his comment about having lots of people looking over his shoulder and the lights - Whatever. He had my full attention. I have lights setup around my table so people can take as close of a look at a snake as they please. When the OP bought the snake, I handed him a business card. Does that sound like I'm trying to scam him? I gave him my cell phone # and email address. Not long after the show, I received a call from the OP. He told me the snake died on the car ride home. This definately surprised me. But without hesitation, I offer to replace it. I asked him to come to the next show and I would even pay admission. I honestly felt bad that this snake died. this is not a normal situation for me. He made no objection to coming to the next show. Never let on that it would be a big inconvenience. He did ask if I could ship a snake. I said it would cost at least $50. that was the only talk of shipping. He did not continue asking any questions about shipping. I don't possess the power to read the OP's mind. After ending the phone call, I thought there was no conflict to resolve and I would see the OP at the next show. At this point I did not assess any blame in my head as to who killed the snake. The snake died, that sucks. at this point I felt I was doing the right thing. I think I do alright with customer service. If you were to ask the hundreds of people I have dealt with at shows, I think the majority would have favorable responses. I also understand that you can't please everyone. So the OP didn't object to what we agreed on, but chose to come onto this forum with the help of Deb and slam me. thanks guys. Do you believe in carma? Do you understand defamation of character? After reading what the OP did to the snake, I don't believe I had anything to do with its death. But even knowing this, I would still replace it.

Thanks for posting your side of the story Adam.

If I was in your situation, I probably would have reacted the same way and made the same offer of replacement.

Sounds to me like Adam's a good guy. Thanks for finally giving us your side of it.

Adam, don't worry about what debbie has said. It is well known, especially now, that she has some serious problems not only with her own self image, but her customer service. Of course, if she could tell which people were her customers and which weren't it wouldn't be such a problem. Alas, she cannot make this distinction. If she ever realizes that her way is not the only way, the only correct way, well, I suppose we'll all see pigs flying on that day.

Replace the snake. I don't know anyone who thinks you sold a bad snake but all of us who have been in this business more than a year or two have been in your shoes. It sucks but that's life. Doing the right thing isn't always easy. It is always the right thing though.

In my opinion you have not suffered nor has your reputation. I suspect others here and on fauna agree.

Keep up the good work.

i'll be damned,there is two sides to every coin !

Well, now there's a lie of "It died in the car" to "It died after I set it up in 30 minutes".
That can go with the "He knows what he did wrong" and the "I don't know why the snake died."
And the "I did nothing wrong" instead of "I bashed the seller even though the buyer might have caused the death".
Sorry you had to go through this Adam, sounds like you're a good seller. I think the OP is also not a bad guy, I just hope he grows up and has a proper set up for any additional snakes, and doesn't listen to holier-than-thou folks trying to cause trouble for others.
Welcome to the Melodramatic World of Herps.

Thank you for posting, In my opinion I don't think Deb was trying to bash you, and keep in mind she only spoke with the other person. She was writing from a sellers stand point.

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I can forgive the OP for the false accusations, what really pisses me off is this lady Deb, and what seems to be some personal vendetta against me. What's your deal? Get my phone # from the OP and we can have a real conversation. I have never scammed anyone. I am a small time breeder in PA. I do area shows. I rarely spend time online. I chose to do shows to meet other hobbyists in person. Obviously I buy a table at a show to sell my animals and make some money. The few dollars I made off the OP does not compare to the damage that he and Deb are doing to me online. I sold a female normal ball python to the OP. I bred the snake, I fed the snake, it was to my knowledge in perfect health at the time of the show. I care very much about the health and quality of my snakes. I answered numerous questions at the show for the OP. I don't recall him telling me he had 2 lights and an UTH setup on a 10 gallon tank. I would not have recommended that. This show was not well attended. Most of the day there were more vendors than customers there. So his comment about having lots of people looking over his shoulder and the lights - Whatever. He had my full attention. I have lights setup around my table so people can take as close of a look at a snake as they please. When the OP bought the snake, I handed him a business card. Does that sound like I'm trying to scam him? I gave him my cell phone # and email address. Not long after the show, I received a call from the OP. He told me the snake died on the car ride home. This definately surprised me. But without hesitation, I offer to replace it. I asked him to come to the next show and I would even pay admission. I honestly felt bad that this snake died. this is not a normal situation for me. He made no objection to coming to the next show. Never let on that it would be a big inconvenience. He did ask if I could ship a snake. I said it would cost at least $50. that was the only talk of shipping. He did not continue asking any questions about shipping. I don't possess the power to read the OP's mind. After ending the phone call, I thought there was no conflict to resolve and I would see the OP at the next show. At this point I did not assess any blame in my head as to who killed the snake. The snake died, that sucks. at this point I felt I was doing the right thing. I think I do alright with customer service. If you were to ask the hundreds of people I have dealt with at shows, I think the majority would have favorable responses. I also understand that you can't please everyone. So the OP didn't object to what we agreed on, but chose to come onto this forum with the help of Deb and slam me. thanks guys. Do you believe in carma? Do you understand defamation of character? After reading what the OP did to the snake, I don't believe I had anything to do with its death. But even knowing this, I would still replace it.

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Adam thank you for replying :gj:.I am glad i went by my gut feelings and contacted you about this crap.I still stand by EVERY word i said in my posts here and on fauna also.I know a few people got thier panties in a bind because Deb was shown to be in the wrong numerous times on both sites.Now just maybe someday they will realize it for themselves she is not the person she plays to be.

This is singlehandedly the most ridiculous thread I have ever read.

There reallly is nothing more that can be added to the thread. Adam spoke his peace. I think this thread has run its course.

the additional "opinions" and such of each other have been moved to Quarantine
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82625

If you so desire to read, PM an Admin (names in red) and ye shall be granted access.

:)