Is there a Morph you will never own/breed due to genetics?

i saw some saying that they would avoid womas. I've never heard of there being an issue associated with them - is there one?

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Originally Posted by Morphie

i saw some saying that they would avoid womas. I've never heard of there being an issue associated with them - is there one?

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oh - duh - cause of the pearl thing??

Yes..

The Super is the Pearl, and it is not viable.

There's no real reason to avoid Womas, though. You just don't breed two of them together (just like short-tailed cats).

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Yes..

The Super is the Pearl, and it is not viable.

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Newbie question here, just wanna ask what do you mean the pearl being not viable?

To date, AFAIK, no Pearls (Super Womas) have survived very long.

~Bruce

Poor pearls.. good thing I read about this, for Ive been thinking in acquiring a woma soon. Maybe Ill go for another morph.

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Originally Posted by jopay

Poor pearls.. good thing I read about this, for Ive been thinking in acquiring a woma soon. Maybe Ill go for another morph.

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Nah, get a Woma, woma's are awesome and create great combos, just don't breed 2 together.

I like them all. I guess that in the perfect ball python world, all the mutants would be perfect. :twisted:

It seems like I may be beating a dead horse here (I stopped reading at page 5 or 6) but for what it is worth -

I have parted ways with the spider project. I gave mine away. The wobble thing bothered me. I actually acquired my first spider before the "wobble" became public (and I was foolish enough to think I was "in the know"....stupid ego :rolleyes:). My founding girl was gorgeous. At times she had the slightest tilt to her head (kind of like a dog). I didn't think it was such a big deal. Around 1500 grams she started ROLLING. I couldn't take it. :puke: And then there was the thought of selling animals that could turn out like that.....it didn't sit well with me.

I have seen a lot of spiders. Many appear to have the tilt, twitch, or wobble. At this point I have made the assumption that any spider is likely to wobble (and I know what they say about assuming :oops:). My gut tells me that outcrossing spider stock isn't really going to do much to alleviate the wobble. To me the wobble and the spider are linked. However, I do think it is possible we can see "strong" spider stock down the road. I think it is just going to take a spontaneous mutation where the spider gene and the cause of the wobble (I am not going to jump the gun and fault neurological impairment :colbert:) part ways.

IMO, out of any of the morphs, to date spiders have made the best looking crosses....and lots of them. When I see conclusive evidence that someone has "strong" spider stock I am back on board. BIG TIME. Until then, I'll let someone else do the work;)

With all that being said, I work with caramels and cinnys. To me, the issues with these morphs are different than the spider one. Kinked animals can be isolated from breeding stock from the get go. Animals with pinched snouts can be set aside. Outcrossing could provide some solutions here. Selective breeding might resolve issues. Some breeders have reported that lower incubation temps can reduce kinking. I am willing to work on these things......the spider thing seems like a tougher nut to crack.....and it might just come down to sheer luck to crack it.

I guess for me it just boils down to my opinion that I can make a difference with carms and cinnys but not with spiders.

Being that I spent quite some time reading this whole thread from page 1, I figure i'll put my two cents in here too. I myself love the way a spider looks and will end up aquiring one fairly soon. As well as breeding them. Everything that I've ever read on evolution and genetics and such states that through selective breeding, outcrossing it is possible to correct/eliminate unwanted abnormalities. Through modern medicine look at all the human illnesses and defects that have been dealt with over time. Granted, I cant see hobby or big time breeders looking at snake dna in a lab with scientists trying to solve the puzzle, it will probably happen out of pure luck. But, if it weren't for those dedicated people that do strive to breed for quality animals there might never be a solution for a "guaranteed" non wobbling spider or kinked caramel or whatever someone finds next. So, I do thank all those that do work with these defects trying to perfect them, as long as it is their intentions and not just the quick buck. If it weren't for their efforts we all would only have a ton of normals, this hobby wouldn't be as big as it is, and keeping herps of all sorts would not be what it is today.

What's a derma ball and does anyone have a picture?

Hi,

Here is a thread with a pic of the derma ball and a dicussion about it. There are many others though so you may want to search later. :gj:


http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ighlight=derma


dr del

I would never work with the Derma Ball and I'd have to be convinced to work with Carmels... I can't say I woudn't own a Spider though. So shoot me. They're still my favorite base morph.

Here's a picture of my new caramel. No kinks. ;)

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...p/DSCF6022.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...p/DSCF6024.jpg

Of course, she's being used for other projects (not to make more caramels), but just wanted folks to see a nice, kink free caramel. :)

i would certainly never breed a derma but honestly, i would love to have one. i really think they are neat looking!

im still too much of a noob to be giving my two cents on breeding the bps and which morphs i would work with vs those i would never work with. im not crazy about the womas so i doubt i would go out of my way to produce them

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Originally Posted by dprince

Here's a picture of my new caramel. No kinks. ;)

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...p/DSCF6022.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...p/DSCF6024.jpg

Of course, she's being used for other projects (not to make more caramels), but just wanted folks to see a nice, kink free caramel. :)

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That's a beautiful caramel. Whose line is that anyway? And is it just me or does it seem like the nicest contrast caramels with the best colors don't seem to have as much problems with kinking? Is it possible that the amount of kinking could be related to the depth of the color?