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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Less mites now. Much better.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
dr del, I will tell you my experiance w/ olive oil. I do not have a mite problem myself and have not for a very very long time. I also do rescues and that's were they come into play. I take the snake and slick the snake up with the olive oil ( from head to tail ) like you are putting on sun tan lotion. Put the snake in a tub or what ever you may use for 1 hour. As the snake is sitting for the hour I take a water bleach mix and clean the whole cage and it's esc. , then of coarse let the stuff air out. Then I wash everything with a mild soap. After the hour is up I put the snake in the tub and wash it w/ baby soap. I use baby soap to wash all my snakes with. Once done w/ that put the snake back in the cage. 2 to 3 days later I repeat the process just for the hell of it. The first time around works but I do it again just for a saftey aspect. I swear by this method. Has always worked great for me and many others I know plus it's cheap and an easy process. I have never seen a scale problem that you had mentioned either.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Or instead of using so much time with that, and the possible risks of it not working, spend the $20 to get P.A.M and be set for a long time;)
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by Beardedragon
Or instead of using so much time with that, and the possible risks of it not working, spend the $20 to get P.A.M and be set for a long time;)
Unless you have animals in your collection that have a sensitivity to it such as I do. And you know what, I have used this method, and IMO there is no risk of it not working, since it 100% took care of the mite problem I had. To each their own, but if I can find an alternative method to using poison around my animals that I know works, then I am going to do it. Regardless of what anybody says, P.A.M. is still a pesticide.:wink:
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by Beardedragon
Or instead of using so much time with that, and the possible risks of it not working, spend the $20 to get P.A.M and be set for a long time;)
Like it was said in the last hit, to each his own. To take care of the problem with in an hour or maybe a lil longer, plus I did not spend 20 bucks. Maybe 3 bucks for the olive oil, which I just use some out of the kitchen plus think of it as interaction time with one of your animals, it's a win win situation. And the possible risk of it not working ??????? like I said it is and has been proven. If you are not sure of it try it out next time you incounter mites. You'll see. Plus using olive oil I have never had a re appear of mites :) Just my 2 cents.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by FloridaHogs
Unless you have animals in your collection that have a sensitivity to it such as I do. And you know what, I have used this method, and IMO there is no risk of it not working, since it 100% took care of the mite problem I had. To each their own, but if I can find an alternative method to using poison around my animals that I know works, then I am going to do it. Regardless of what anybody says, P.A.M. is still a pesticide.:wink:
It is true that smaller snakes have thinner skin and may be more susceptible to the effects of different pesticides.
The organic and natural ways may take a bit more effort, but the safety is worth it for more delicate species.
There is more than one way to skin a cat. ;)
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Though I have nothing to say on the 'resurrected' snake I will add a note about the Reptile Relief.
A long time ago when I was still relatively new to reptiles I had picked up a red tail from a swap meet. Well, it had mites, and not knowing what I know now I headed off to the store to get mite removal spray. I came home, followed directions on the bottle and in about an hour the snake was dead. Now, even with it being a swap meet (not a reptile expo mind you, but a swap meet for anything) snake, it had been visually healthy prior to the Reptile Relief. I can't prove it but personally I would rather see all of it removed from pet store shelves. And this was about ten years ago give or take. Just my .02
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon
Good to hear he is... "Aive":confused::rolleyes:
:rofl: LMAO!
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by rmune0750
:rofl: LMAO!
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
why are people so worried about spending 20 bucks for some relief for their snakes?
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by Ponthieux
why are people so worried about spending 20 bucks for some relief for their snakes?
For me it is not about the money at all. I would spend $100 without flinching. For me it is poison vs nonpoison. Out of 70+ animals, over 20 of them are animals the have a sensitivity to P.A.M. type products. If I have an alternative method, that is poison free and works, then why would I even want that stuff near my collection? To me the convience of P.A.M. is not worth the risk.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Hi,
Have you had any experience on the biological control front?
I read about mites that eat the snake mites for example and wondered if that would be an even better solution from the animals perspective?
dr del
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
well after going through 12 pages, i guess its safe to say: dont lock an animal in a container after spraying chemicals everywhere.
i dont know how that wasnt obvious before but congrats on the ressurection.:gj:
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by Ponthieux
why are people so worried about spending 20 bucks for some relief for their snakes?
Money is not an issue here. I just have a better solution that has worked for me and others many of times. So why look else were. I own over 50 snakes, breed all my own feeder food and run a reptile business so no money is not it. It's the proven ability that olive oil works wonders with out having to pay more money for something else. All I can talk about is my experiance w/ olive oil, I have never used R.R. so I can not commint on it.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by dr del
Hi,
Have you had any experience on the biological control front?
I read about mites that eat the snake mites for example and wondered if that would be an even better solution from the animals perspective?
dr del
No, I have not even heard of that. The idea of bringing bugs into my house to eat bugs is......well....kinda creepy! Knowing my luck, they would eat any mites and then start on me!! :O
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
That was dumb, but i'm glad it turned out alright.
As for the mite debate... I havent had the problem yet, but if I do I am more inclined to try something like Olive oil or baby soap before spraying pesticides in my snake enclosure.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by Entropy
Though I have nothing to say on the 'resurrected' snake I will add a note about the Reptile Relief.
A long time ago when I was still relatively new to reptiles I had picked up a red tail from a swap meet. Well, it had mites, and not knowing what I know now I headed off to the store to get mite removal spray. I came home, followed directions on the bottle and in about an hour the snake was dead. Now, even with it being a swap meet (not a reptile expo mind you, but a swap meet for anything) snake, it had been visually healthy prior to the Reptile Relief. I can't prove it but personally I would rather see all of it removed from pet store shelves. And this was about ten years ago give or take. Just my .02
everytime im in petco or petsmart i have to go look at the unproperly cared for herps and someone is always looking at buying those cute vitamins and stuff and everytime i usually talk them out of using that garbage and get something that works and isnt just there because its a zoomed or other products that are just a waste of $
i wonder how many orders of chloxhexidine gutomate 2% and provent-a-mite ive sold.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by dr del
Hi,
Have you had any experience on the biological control front?
I read about mites that eat the snake mites for example and wondered if that would be an even better solution from the animals perspective?
dr del
In a recent trip to the Hamm fair, a couple of friends of mine visited a Dutch venomous snakes´ breeder that uses such "mites".
He is sending a small culture - along with the scientific names and characteristics - that we´re going to analyse.
Apparently these "mites" are strickly carnivorous of other mites (and small thicks) and do not feed on blood, so they do not affect the snakes. They are also cannibalistic, so when the mites are gone, they start to eat their own...
I still have to study these animals a little bit before considering a test. But I´ve been hearing that they´ve been successfuly used specially in naturalistic enclosures where they´re a tremendous help in natural/biological control of (bad) mites
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Thank you for the pic. He seems OK. I was a bit skeptical I must agree.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Hi,
Yes this is the product they are talking about.
And they are briefly discussed in this post on reptileforums.co.uk.
And here are some more links with information about them;
link1.
Link 2.
Link 3.
There certainly seem to be people who find them very effective - and, as long as you were ok with the idea of even more li'l bugs running around the place for a time, they might be an ideal solution for those of you with sensitive animals. :)
It should be pointed out it's a one or the other deal with these methods before someone complains they bought both and PAM killed the good mites as well. :P
I havent found anyone who has used them with tarantulas yet but they could be ideal in that situation.
**edit**
Tarantulas are mentioned at the bottom of this page so should be all right.
**end edit**
dr del
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Also, they are discussed on VPI's webpage I believe... Or am I thinking of their book?
Either way, that's where I learned about them. :)
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by dr del
Hi,
Yes this is the product they are talking about.
And they are briefly discussed in this post on reptileforums.co.uk.
And here are some more links with information about them;
link1.
Link 2.
Link 3.
There certainly seem to be people who find them very effective - and, as long as you were ok with the idea of even more li'l bugs running around the place for a time, they might be an ideal solution for those of you with sensitive animals. :)
It should be pointed out it's a one or the other deal with these methods before someone complains they bought both and PAM killed the good mites as well. :P
I havent found anyone who has used them with tarantulas yet but they could be ideal in that situation.
**edit**
Tarantulas are mentioned at the bottom of this page so should be all right.
**end edit**
dr del
Thanks for that precious info, Dr Del
Looks like I have some reading to do.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by Nuzum1978
You guys should be careful w/ the PAM references before someone sprays their snake down w/ cooking spray. Someone did just mention olive oil.
I'll be watching for the new thread...
Glad little dude came back to the light.
You know...I was thinking about that the entire time I have been reading this thread. Pictured someone posting "well guys, I just got back from Jewel with some Pam. Sprayed down the snake, and now he doesnt stick to the pan, I guess. You guys sure this stuff works??" :rofl: I know I know, I suck at jokes lol.
I'm shocked he came to.
That did happen with one of my feeders though. It was so strange. My girl constricted it...for a long while...searched around after letting go, and it started moving...
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
The only time I've had a mite problem was about 13 years ago, my 2 BCI's were infested. My vet recommended mineral oil on the snake, bleach solution on the tank. It worked just fine. I'll skip the poison, thanks! :D
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
By any chance did he turn one yesterday??
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