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Originally Posted by belvis

I will not come back to this FORUM-------I have a higher standard then to listen to whining dogs all day long.

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And so do we! Your whining about this forum, and may go on to whine about it some more since your replying as I write this.

You'll probably make some comment that gets you banned... been a while since the last hurricane blew through here. :rolleyes:

I don't have to "listen" to you either, so I won't read your posts. So simple. ;)

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Originally Posted by belvis

WOW_______________send me your masters in biology-----how about---------------------proof-----------you--------know--------what---------your--------talking----about---------------------------------.

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ok so u are askin for proof from us.. so then why is it so bad that we are askin him for proof to back up everythin that he is sayin ??

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Originally Posted by belvis

WOW_______________send me your masters in biology-----how about---------------------proof-----------you--------know--------what---------your--------talking----about---------------------------------.

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I dont think I need a masters in biology to say that someone who has had a proven outbreak of IBD in their collection should not be selling snakes that could carry the disease. After all, IBD doesnt just disappear.

SO you want to get on the guy for not charging YOU TRIPLE like all the "REPtuable" breeders do.

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Originally Posted by belvis

SO you want to get on the guy for not charging YOU TRIPLE like all the "REPtuable" breeders do.

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no i just think that they are all concerned that he is sellin SICK snakes.... to be honest price doesnt matter, but the conditions of the animal do

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Originally Posted by belvis

SO you want to get on the guy for not charging YOU TRIPLE like all the "REPtuable" breeders do.

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Its not about the money factor at all, its about the fact that he is knowingly spreading IBD by selling possibly infected snakes. IMO, thats the mark of a bad person, that they care more about making a sale than the lives of the animals they are selling.

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Originally Posted by belvis

SO you want to get on the guy for not charging YOU TRIPLE like all the "REPtuable" breeders do.

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Lol, how else would he stay in business? Charge market prices, with that reputation?? LOLOLOL :rofl:

Don't buy from him then.

MAny others stay in business that way and have not problems with your accusations


LOLOLOLOLOLO

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Originally Posted by belvis

WOW_______________send me your masters in biology-----how about---------------------proof-----------you--------know--------what---------your--------talking----about---------------------------------.

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Originally Posted by babygerl3094

ok so u are askin for proof from us.. so then why is it so bad that we are askin him for proof to back up everythin that he is sayin ??

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Originally Posted by belvis

SO you want to get on the guy for not charging YOU TRIPLE like all the "REPtuable" breeders do.

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Originally Posted by belvis

Don't buy from him then.

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Originally Posted by belvis

MAny others stay in business that way and have not problems with your accusations


LOLOLOLOLOLO

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Changed your mind????? :rolleye2:

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I will not come back to this FORUM-------I have a higher standard then to listen to whining dogs all day long.

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WOW, what a wild thread! I really have no clue about most of this stuff, I'm always so busy this is the first I've heard about any of this. I was just sent the thread because our name came up. I just wanted Allen to know there is no possible way for us to clean up for the cameras. We have cameras out all the time. To do an artificial clean here would take a week. What you see is what you get. That doens't mean every cage is clean all the time, I wish it were. I just didn't want to get drug into this without having anything to do with it. I know one thing, I don't want to get on anyones bad side here.lol Brian(BHB)

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Originally Posted by BHB

WOW, what a wild thread! I really have no clue about most of this stuff, I'm always so busy this is the first I've heard about any of this. I was just sent the thread because our name came up. I just wanted Allen to know there is no possible way for us to clean up for the cameras. We have cameras out all the time. To do an artificial clean here would take a week. What you see is what you get. That doens't mean every cage is clean all the time, I wish it were. I just didn't want to get drug into this without having anything to do with it. I know one thing, I don't want to get on anyones bad side here.lol Brian(BHB)

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too late brian!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::rage::rage::rage::rage:


hahahah just kiddin mang

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Originally Posted by BHB

WOW, what a wild thread! I really have no clue about most of this stuff, I'm always so busy this is the first I've heard about any of this. I was just sent the thread because our name came up. I just wanted Allen to know there is no possible way for us to clean up for the cameras. We have cameras out all the time. To do an artificial clean here would take a week. What you see is what you get. That doens't mean every cage is clean all the time, I wish it were. I just didn't want to get drug into this without having anything to do with it. I know one thing, I don't want to get on anyones bad side here.lol Brian(BHB)

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I'd just like to get to Michigan to see for myself!:)
I just didnt like that your name was thrown in here by an obvious toolbag like him.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I had no idea there was a blood test for IBD.

Here all this time I thought you either needed to necropsy a dead snake or take a liver biopsy from a living one.

allen, can you site any resource for this blood test?

Oh wait, let me put that in a language you'll understand.

buc buc buc
buckaw buckaw buc buc
buc buckaw buc buc buckaw

There ya go.

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Wes thats one of those special southern test didnt you know.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by belvis

OMG!!!!!!!


Are you people for real. Last month you were on a witchhunt and JNJ was in your sites. I love how you all act so tough behind your computers. You love to criticize and attact people in groups.

Some of you have a BP for 3 weeks and all of a sudden you're experts. This hole Big Daddy Drama is old news GET OVER IT>
If you don't like him, don't buy from him. You love to promote certain BOARD MEMBERS, "for great to buy from" yet they send out snakes with RI's Ticks Mites and other things, YET they are not FLIPPERS so it's all good.

I will not come back to this FORUM-------I have a higher standard then to listen to whining dogs all day long.

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If you dont like us pointing out the bad guys who sell sick reptiles then dont let the door hit ya where god split ya :rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Then leave! Go out and buy from someone that will destroy your already healthy snakes, cant say we didnt try to help;)

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Well said :gj:

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Originally Posted by BHB

WOW, what a wild thread! I really have no clue about most of this stuff, I'm always so busy this is the first I've heard about any of this. I was just sent the thread because our name came up. I just wanted Allen to know there is no possible way for us to clean up for the cameras. We have cameras out all the time. To do an artificial clean here would take a week. What you see is what you get. That doens't mean every cage is clean all the time, I wish it were. I just didn't want to get drug into this without having anything to do with it. I know one thing, I don't want to get on anyones bad side here.lol Brian(BHB)

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Brian he is just trying to move the heat away from him ;).It has happened numerous times because Allen will never openly admit his collection has or had IBD :mad:

It's too bad, because that lavender albino bp is neon and looks sweet!

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Originally Posted by belvis

You love to promote certain BOARD MEMBERS, "for great to buy from" yet they send out snakes with RI's Ticks Mites and other things, YET they are not FLIPPERS so it's all good.

I will not come back to this FORUM-------I have a higher standard then to listen to whining dogs all day long.

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Who might that be? Anyone who has sent out ticks and mites have been brought up in this section that I'm personally aware of. Care to back up your accusation?

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

It's too bad, because that lavender albino bp is neon and looks sweet!

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Maybe that the IBD coming out :O :weirdface.I would NEVER buy nor take for free anything that came from him as its not worth the gamble.We have way to many others to buy or trade with :gj:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Who might that be? Anyone who has sent out ticks and mites have been brought up in this section that I'm personally aware of. Care to back up your accusation?

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Robin i think he is just blowing stale air :rofl::rofl:.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Who might that be? Anyone who has sent out ticks and mites have been brought up in this section that I'm personally aware of. Care to back up your accusation?

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Agreed I like to hear this also.

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I don't sit by my computer all day like some. I have been busy today. I built new roads and new fields on my hunting land today and then managed to sell 16 snakes this evening. Let's start here.
I did not avoid this thread. I have stated all the time that I am a computer idiot. So when the thread got moved I could not access it and did not know who or how too. Thanks for the help getting it strait.
Secondly There was only one snake that had IBD. And I am still convienced the snake did not come from me. Check The dates on when the kid bought the snake and when the snake died. The snakes I sold at the philly show where newborns right out of their first shed. Which at most should have made the snake 4-5 weeks old. But the necropsy states the snake is a 6 month old snake. I even called the vet on the paperwork and he verified the snake was much older than 4-5 weeks. I had tests done on one of the snakes I carried to the show and had blood drawn from my boas. All tests were negative. I have said before, I deliver to The University they charge a flat 100.00 for lab results. The doctor does things for me through a student work schedule. It gives the students hands on and I might add that AU is 2nd in the country in their veteranary teachings. Anyway I do not get anything in writing ever... Also you are mistaken about being able to find IBD in bloodwork. Please feel free to contact Pete Kahl personally to verify this statement as well. My proof to you is IBD runs it's full course in Pythons (Balls, Burmese, Retics,ETC) in 28 days tops. I am still in business and thriving. I have over 400 python eggs in the incubator at present and expect to have over 1100 by years end. That's just at this facility, Not including the various breeder loans I have going. There is no way that poorly cared for or sick snakes could be productive and breed successfully year after year. Next comes the selloff or dieoff, Neither is true. I buy out other breeders all the time. This year alone I bought 4 other breeders out. I keep the snakes I want and sell the rest. I am sure you are making reference to the sub-adult and adult snakes that I sold about the time this accusation was posted. If I was selling sick and infected snakes, We would have a major epidemic!!! You need to realize just how many snakes I sell in a year and how many different customers that includes. Not tooting my horn but get REAL! Finally I have added a new facility and a trailer to my business, But I still have the same old building that I started in. Funny how with all my legal problems and diseases and sewer condictions (just quoting others) I continue to grow and breed successfully year after year.
Next topic the lavender albino fader labby burmese. I bought the lavender albinos from over seas. I bought the faders and albino fader from here in the US. This is the first ever produced and say what you want but the guy who put the deal together for me on the lavenders bought 2.1 from me already and flew in and hand picked his. The fader gene is unknown and everyone who responded to the add was told that. I also have a fader to fader breeding in the incubator now and am waiting to see the results of that. I was not expecting to be given props for the snakes just like last season when I was the first to produce the stingerblast BP. Maybe this season will be different though, I have a clutch with a chance for a pastel lesser ghost 5 eggs and another clutch with a graziani line bee breed to an enchi 8 eggs in this one. Only time will tell! For now I will keep doing what I do and you keep doing what you do.
Oh one last thing, I went and took pics with out staging anything. I was not trying to give you a false impression of my facility. And if you think BHB does not go through their containers prior to filming to make sure everything is picture perfect before rolling tape, YOU ARE SILLY!:rofl:
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

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Just one thought on this. How do you have a Fader to Fader project going, when all the known Faders are dead?

As for the Lavendars; it would have been brought to more than your attention when they were discovered. Gulf Coast, Bob Clark, BHB, NERD, or Jay Vella would have had their hands on them long before you had. As well as that, Bob, and Jay were both unaware of a Lavendar being in existence...hmmm. Seems they only knew about the T- and T+ being found, with the T+ still waiting to be proven.....

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Originally Posted by belvis

OMG!!!!!!!


Are you people for real. Last month you were on a witchhunt and JNJ was in your sites. I love how you all act so tough behind your computers. You love to criticize and attact people in groups.

Some of you have a BP for 3 weeks and all of a sudden you're experts. This hole Big Daddy Drama is old news GET OVER IT>
If you don't like him, don't buy from him. You love to promote certain BOARD MEMBERS, "for great to buy from" yet they send out snakes with RI's Ticks Mites and other things, YET they are not FLIPPERS so it's all good.

I will not come back to this FORUM-------I have a higher standard then to listen to whining dogs all day long.

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What about me? I've been in this hobby for over a decade, and specialized in giants. I've owned quite a few species, and bred them. As well as that, I'm not a favored member here, and have went heads up with quite a few members. I'm still in here asking questions. Why? Because I see something that isn't right, and something fishy going on. I call it as I see it.

As for the tough guy comment behind a computer. I'd act just as "tough" in person.....

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Joe I have an offer for you. I will provide you with plane tickets, Gas money, Hotel accomodations and spending cash for food and such; If you will just come to my facilities bring your camera and come back here and tell truthfully what you saw. If you are worried about dieseases I will even through in cash for new clothes and shoes. All I ask is that you report the facts of what you see. The only catch is that I will have the local animal enforcement officer here to do a report about what they see on the same day as you. That way the stories will be legit and not just simply your word will stand alone, because it will take a real man to admit being wrong publically. If you really want to know the truth then take me up on this opportunity. But if all you want to do is make slanderous statements about me then continue to do as you wish.
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

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Ok Allen i accept your invite to come inspect your facility.I will ONLY come down to your place under my provisions.1 i bring whomever i want as backup(sorry not bargining on this one).Why i say this one is simple i dont trust you.2 i rent a car and all fees and gas are to be paid in full by yourself BEFORE i start my way to your place.We can discuss reasonable amount.3 a hotel room for myself and whomever i bring plus reasonable amount for food.We also can discuss this amount.4 we show up when WE want to.This provision is non discussable also.This way we can get a REAL look at how things are in your buildings and collections.5 we have full access to ALL your buildinds and WHOLE collection.6 I want to meet the person who runs the group that you said did these blood work test to your snakes.This provision is non discussable also.Why for obvious reasons i want him to prove to me that they really did these tests and show me said results.I think i covered everything but i reserve the right to add things if needed.If i add anything it will be for a good reason though. I openly promise here and now I will report the truth and nothing but the truth here and on fauna the results from said visit.So the ball is in your court now.If you accept this proposal please respond here.If you have any questions please reply in this thread.Thank you

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Originally Posted by BHB

WOW, what a wild thread! I really have no clue about most of this stuff, I'm always so busy this is the first I've heard about any of this. I was just sent the thread because our name came up. I just wanted Allen to know there is no possible way for us to clean up for the cameras. We have cameras out all the time. To do an artificial clean here would take a week. What you see is what you get. That doens't mean every cage is clean all the time, I wish it were. I just didn't want to get drug into this without having anything to do with it. I know one thing, I don't want to get on anyones bad side here.lol Brian(BHB)

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Alright Brian, I am going to put you to the test, will you pay my plane ticket, give me spending money, housing, etc to come check out your animals. :gj::gj: Haha, just kidding man, I know there is no way you guys can clean on the spur of the moment for anyone as busy as you are, I was just trying to get a free trip to Michigan to check out BHB. :gj:

:weirdface:weirdface

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Ok Allen i accept your invite to come inspect your facility.I will ONLY come down to your place under my provisions.1 i bring whomever i want as backup(sorry not bargining on this one).Why i say this one is simple i dont trust you.2 i rent a car and all fees and gas are to be paid in full by yourself BEFORE i start my way to your place.We can discuss reasonable amount.3 a hotel room for myself and whomever i bring plus reasonable amount for food.We also can discuss this amount.4 we show up when WE want to.This provision is non discussable also.This way we can get a REAL look at how things are in your buildings and collections.5 we have full access to ALL your buildinds and WHOLE collection.6 I want to meet the person who runs the group that you said did these blood work test to your snakes.This provision is non discussable also.Why for obvious reasons i want him to prove to me that they really did these tests and show me said results.I think i covered everything but i reserve the right to add things if needed.If i add anything it will be for a good reason though. I openly promise here and now I will report the truth and nothing but the truth here and on fauna the results from said visit.So the ball is in your court now.If you accept this proposal please respond here.If you have any questions please reply in this thread.Thank you

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I wanted to to explain why i want to bring someone with me.I will NOT cause any trouble by no means but for obvious reasons i dont trust Allen.

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Originally Posted by belvis

i have no need to RAT out your beloved BP.NET members who send dirty products. He and She knows who they are--------------------

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For one whom is "done posting on this forum", you sure do talk a lot. Give it up dude, you obviously have nothing better to do than sit there and dish it out.

Step 1: put the red bull down

Step 2: get outside and take your first breath of fresh air for the day

Step 3: Self esteem groups are plentiful, join one, it may help

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Originally Posted by belvis

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I thought you said you were never coming back :rolleye2: :rolleye2:.I guess you still lubbs us :rofl: :rofl:

no you awesome people wanted an answer so i gave it to you---and to patrick long------you are a great person!

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Originally Posted by belvis

no you awesome people wanted an answer so i gave it to you---and to patrick long------you are a great person!

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Bye bye ;)

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Originally Posted by belvis

i have no need to RAT out your beloved BP.NET members who send dirty products. He and She knows who they are--------------------

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So in other words - you made it up and don't have any names. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by belvis

no you awesome people wanted an answer so i gave it to you---and to patrick long------you are a great person!

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ok, whats with the name callin ?? and whos the one actin like a tough guy through a comp ??

u were asked a simple question of who else sells sick/bad/unhealthy snakes...

why wont u name names ?? is it honestly that hard to back up what u are sayin ?

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Originally Posted by belvis

He and She knows who they are--------------------

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Please enlighten us. Or stop making empty accusations about nameless people whom may or may not exist. If they have done what you say then you should have no problem pointing them out. Other wise please stop the "I know something You don't know" playing. Its boring and does nothing to help solidify your accusations.

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Originally Posted by belvis

no you awesome people wanted an answer so i gave it to you---and to patrick long------you are a great person!

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well damnit, what did it say?!?!?!?

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

well damnit, what did it say?!?!?!?

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That he lubbs you Patty Cakes :8: :8: :8:

I gave you my option. It is for you to accept or decline on my terms, not yours. Try sending the same invite to any large breeder who does not know you with the same conditions. I am sure the result will be the same as it is from me. As I said last night, I will continue to do what I do and you continue to do what you do. The IBD thread is 3 years old and when it is 6 years old I will still be doing what I do and You will probably still be doing what you do! By the way the lavender albino ball is a RDR line and yes he is absolutely stunning.
If you need to reach me contact Allen Belcher 706-615-4772 I will not be checking in anytime soon!
Allen

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I gave you my option. It is for you to accept or decline on my terms, not yours. Try sending the same invite to any large breeder who does not know you with the same conditions. I am sure the result will be the same as it is from me. As I said last night, I will continue to do what I do and you continue to do what you do. The IBD thread is 3 years old and when it is 6 years old I will still be doing what I do and You will probably still be doing what you do! By the way the lavender albino ball is a RDR line and yes he is absolutely stunning.
If you need to reach me contact Allen Belcher 706-615-4772 I will not be checking in anytime soon!
Allen

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Why not answer my questions, and statements?....

The known Faders are dead. The Hets never proved. How are you breeding fader to fader?

As for the lavendar albino. If a pair or etc you claim you have was imported. They would have to have been bred overseas correct? That means we would know about more than just the ones you have in existence, correct? Mainly due to the fact of raising that Lavendar albino up that was wild caught, breeding it to a female or male, and then breeding the hets back to mom or dad. Thats a few years or so of breeding and raising overseas before getting here. We would have known about this....

Well, if you imported them...scan your importation documents on them, a long with their photographs and post it as proof. It would clear everything up on that right away. Why not even list who you purchased and imported them from, so we could contact them and verify it?...

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I gave you my option. It is for you to accept or decline on my terms, not yours. Try sending the same invite to any large breeder who does not know you with the same conditions. I am sure the result will be the same as it is from me. As I said last night, I will continue to do what I do and you continue to do what you do. The IBD thread is 3 years old and when it is 6 years old I will still be doing what I do and You will probably still be doing what you do! By the way the lavender albino ball is a RDR line and yes he is absolutely stunning.
If you need to reach me contact Allen Belcher 706-615-4772 I will not be checking in anytime soon!
Allen

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You're a liar and a coward.

You go right ahead and continue to lie. Some of us will go right ahead and point it out.

Where's the paperwork? Where's the proof? Where's your backbone?

:weirdface i thought you would of wanted to clear ur name and just put an end to this all, all people are askin for is for u to back up what u are sayin...

I could care less about the other stuff here. I know whom to buy from and not to.

But one thing bothers me.

When has it been proven that you can test for IBD with a simple blood test? I would be very interested in the info about this.

It's not so much about clearing it as making it better by paving a new road. I know the difficulties in cleaning a collection that has over a 100 animals in it and I have worked with much more then that and now after three years of the fauna ad the issue is still present by his own evidence. It seems pretty simple either cut back and be a more conservative business person or hire more help.
All this bad press has to be hurting his business and that is a shame because in speaking with Allen in the past he seems like a nice guy on the phone.
Allen,
In the beginning of this hole situation about your maintenance techniques I figured it was part your lack of good maintenance and also part an employees fault but now it seems that it all lies on your shoulders to improve the quality of your maintenance procedures.

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Originally Posted by Gary Orner

I could care less about the other stuff here. I know whom to buy from and not to.

But one thing bothers me.

When has it been proven that you can test for IBD with a simple blood test? I would be very interested in the info about this.

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According to this http://members.iinet.net.au/~bush/append21.html there is a way do find inclusion in cells through blood tests. But it's my understanding (through other research) that since IBD is a retrovirus, whitebood cells are elevated and inclusion cells would be present during other viruses as well...in other words, if inclusion cells are found in the blood of your boid, it MAY be IBD...then again it could very well be another virus since inclusion cells are found in many retrovirus

Don't quote me on this, the info I read could very well be wrong...cuz we ALL know everything we read on the net is true!!

Hope this helps

Thanks for the link and info........

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Maybe that the IBD coming out :O :weirdface.I would NEVER buy nor take for free anything that came from him as its not worth the gamble.We have way to many others to buy or trade with :gj:

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No doubt. I, too, wouldn't let any of his stuff within the same zip code as mine. Just saying its too bad such a killer looking snake lives there.

For me, It doesn't really matter what he has nor what his prices are. The way he has sidestepped and lied his way through most of the postings I have seen from him are enough to keep me from EVER doing business with Mr. Belcher or anyone who deals with him.

For my business, character counts for everything.;)


Cheers,
Kat

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

For me, It doesn't really matter what he has nor what his prices are. The way he has sidestepped and lied his way through most of the postings I have seen from him are enough to keep me from EVER doing business with Mr. Belcher or anyone who deals with him.

For my business, character counts for everything.;)


Cheers,
Kat

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Hey Baby, I'm quite a character. Wanna do some "business?"

LOL couldn't resist the opening you gave me.

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I gave you my option. It is for you to accept or decline on my terms, not yours. Try sending the same invite to any large breeder who does not know you with the same conditions. I am sure the result will be the same as it is from me. As I said last night, I will continue to do what I do and you continue to do what you do. The IBD thread is 3 years old and when it is 6 years old I will still be doing what I do and You will probably still be doing what you do! By the way the lavender albino ball is a RDR line and yes he is absolutely stunning.
If you need to reach me contact Allen Belcher 706-615-4772 I will not be checking in anytime soon!
Allen

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Allen its no surprise you backed out :rolleyes:.The only real thing i changed was i was bringing a friend whom i trust.You offered plane tickets but sorry i dont fly for anyone :colbert:.I think i know what scared you off this trip.You do not want me talking to the person whom did those tests ;).I tend to think they do not exist or your results come back positive for IBD and you know i would report that bigtime.You know you will be back like you are every night checking this thread :P.See ya next time Allen Belcher AKA IBD man :mad::mad:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Allen its no surprise you backed out :rolleyes:.The only real thing i changed was i was bringing a friend whom i trust.You offered plane tickets but sorry i dont fly for anyone :colbert:.I think i know what scared you off this trip.You do not want me talking to the person whom did those tests ;).I tend to think they do not exist or your results come back positive for IBD and you know i would report that bigtime.You know you will be back like you are every night checking this thread :P.See ya next time Allen Belcher AKA IBD man :mad::mad:

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I don't know....maybe he was afraid you'd show up with me. Not only do I not have feelings of comfort and joy for him but I'm a friend of Bryon and Laura.

Of course, be that as it may, I would be 100% honest in anything I said or did regardless of the outcome.

I bet he needs babywipes after he reads my posts. He wouldn't be the first lying coward that did.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Where's your backbone?

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He left it in his other suitcase

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Originally Posted by Gary Orner

I could care less about the other stuff here. I know whom to buy from and not to.

But one thing bothers me.

When has it been proven that you can test for IBD with a simple blood test? I would be very interested in the info about this.

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Its all in his dreams :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I don't know....maybe he was afraid you'd show up with me. Not only do I not have feelings of comfort and joy for him but I'm a friend of Bryon and Laura.

Of course, be that as it may, I would be 100% honest in anything I said or did regardless of the outcome.

I bet he needs babywipes after he reads my posts. He wouldn't be the first lying coward that did.

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Wes you must have been reading my mind because i was going to ask you to go along with John(jasballs) and myself :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hello Allen i see you were here today ;).I knew you loved our site :gj:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

He left it in his other suitcase

Its all in his dreams :rolleyes:

Wes you must have been reading my mind because i was going to ask you to go along with John(jasballs) and myself :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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What an awesome trio!:taz: