Man feeds puppy to boa.. wait... what?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

i think we're prosecuting him for feeding off a cute little defenseless puppy. which i don't agree with

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Ok. Here is where I disagree with you. I have no doubt in my mind that using a puppy (coated in oil or not) as a feeder to any snake should be a animal cruelty case. :2cent:

It is morons like this guy (the one who fed the snake the puppy) that ruin it for all of us. We get by day by day, quietly feeding our snakes rats.. mice.. rabbits. People out there disagree with it, but generally don't go parading through the streets or on the internet calling us murderers (generally..) But the "lay people", the general public; they'll read a story like this and it is the first thing they'll think of when they see a snake. "Oh, that thing could eat a cute, adorable puppy! Kill it, it is evil!" Yes, this is how people "think" sadly; with knee-jerk reactions helped along by negative crapola that imbeciles do with their snakes.
I wish that it was not like this; for every good herp story in the news, there are probably 50 bad and negative ones.. no wonder the general public fears and/or hates our snakes. :(
Personally, to me, it is not immoral to feed a canine to a boid at face value. Meat is meat. but the way that he went about it.. oil? Added with the neglected snake; sounds like the guy is a cheap moron who does not like to spend the necessary $$ to feed appropriate, ideal prey.. what a schmuck.
Humans can't be compared to any animal, I feel. You can't say :oh, if it is Ok to feed a dog to a snake, why not feed human infants to it?" Humans have evolved to pretty-much be in charge of this planet; we adapted it to fit our needs and purposes. We have the gift of "reasoning" and know full-well (usually, lol) what we are doing. Animals don't have this same reasoning, or else we would be competing with synthetic cities made by bears, giraffes, etc; hopefully I am making myself clear. I am not trying to say that we are superior to animals; actually, with what crapola we have done with our sense of reasoning, I think that there are definately animals out there that are more intelligent than some humans!

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

If that were true, then why are there all these reptiles in reptile rescues? Why are their so many Iguana's released to animal shelters? If what your saying is true, than most people would let them starve and suffer, rather than turn them in. I've seen more dog abuse cases, than reptile. People around my neighborhood fight dogs...I don't know who it is, but they go around and steal neighborhood dogs, so theirs can "practice", then dump the bodies by the railroad tracks...I've seen people chain their dogs up outside, let them bake in the sun without water or food and let them starve/dehydrate.

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i seem to have hit a nerve. i think dog fighting does not even deserve a mention here, because the people that dog fight are on a whole other level. I'm not saying everyone is going to turn their animals in, I'm saying that they'll be less inclined to care about a silly little reptile. iguanas are different because they can be considered dangerous, but something like a corn snake from petco? how many kids buy them, kill it, buy another, rinse, and repeat?

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

It is morons like this guy (the one who fed the snake the puppy) that ruin it for all of us. We get by day by day, quietly feeding our snakes rats.. mice.. rabbits. People out there disagree with it, but generally don't go parading through the streets or on the internet calling us murderers (generally..) But the "lay people", the general public; they'll read a story like this and it is the first thing they'll think of when they see a snake. "Oh, that thing could eat a cute, adorable puppy! Kill it, it is evil!" Yes, this is how people "think" sadly; with knee-jerk reactions helped along by negative crapola that imbeciles do with their snakes.
I wish that it was not like this; for every good herp story in the news, there are probably 50 bad and negative ones.. no wonder the general public fears and/or hates our snakes. :(
Personally, to me, it is not immoral to feed a canine to a boid at face value. Meat is meat. but the way that he went about it.. oil? Added with the neglected snake; sounds like the guy is a cheap moron who does not like to spend the necessary $$ to feed appropriate, ideal prey.. what a schmuck

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Mucho Kudos

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

i seem to have hit a nerve. i think dog fighting does not even deserve a mention here, because the people that dog fight are on a whole other level. I'm not saying everyone is going to turn their animals in, I'm saying that they'll be less inclined to care about a silly little reptile. iguanas are different because they can be considered dangerous, but something like a corn snake from petco? how many kids buy them, kill it, buy another, rinse, and repeat?

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It was on the basis of animal cruelty, morality, and dog abuse vs. reptile abuse...

To tell you the truth, I see more colubrids such as Corn Snakes go through reptile rescues and shelters, and more turned in than I do lizards and boids...

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

It is morons like this guy (the one who fed the snake the puppy) that ruin it for all of us. We get by day by day, quietly feeding our snakes rats.. mice.. rabbits. People out there disagree with it, but generally don't go parading through the streets or on the internet calling us murderers (generally..) But the "lay people", the general public; they'll read a story like this and it is the first thing they'll think of when they see a snake. "Oh, that thing could eat a cute, adorable puppy! Kill it, it is evil!" Yes, this is how people "think" sadly; with knee-jerk reactions helped along by negative crapola that imbeciles do with their snakes.
I wish that it was not like this; for every good herp story in the news, there are probably 50 bad and negative ones.. no wonder the general public fears and/or hates our snakes. :(
Personally, to me, it is not immoral to feed a canine to a boid at face value. Meat is meat. but the way that he went about it.. oil? Added with the neglected snake; sounds like the guy is a cheap moron who does not like to spend the necessary $$ to feed appropriate, ideal prey.. what a schmuck.
Humans can't be compared to any animal, I feel. You can't say :oh, if it is Ok to feed a dog to a snake, why not feed human infants to it?" Humans have evolved to pretty-much be in charge of this planet; we adapted it to fit our needs and purposes. We have the gift of "reasoning" and know full-well (usually, lol) what we are doing. Animals don't have this same reasoning, or else we would be competing with synthetic cities made by bears, giraffes, etc; hopefully I am making myself clear. I am not trying to say that we are superior to animals; actually, with what crapola we have done with our sense of reasoning, I think that there are definately animals out there that are more intelligent than some humans!

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I can agree with you on some of this, but answer this....why feed a dog? With the availability of prey on the market today for the variety of predatory animals, there's simply no need to feed a dog to any type of carnivorous animal owned...

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

Ok. Here is where I disagree with you. I have no doubt in my mind that using a puppy (coated in oil or not) as a feeder to any snake should be a animal cruelty case. :2cent:

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i'm saying the snake should be considered as equally as the puppy, but if it was just the problem of the snake being mistreated no one would care and he'd still be doin his thing, thats all i said there.

to go where you were going.
i kno you love your dogs, but i'm sure if we got a hardcore rabbit enthusiast here they'd feel about us as we do about this guy. really it's all about what you know and what you're used to.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

i'm saying the snake should be considered as equally as the puppy, but if it was just the problem of the snake being mistreated no one would care and he'd still be doin his thing, thats all i said there.

to go where you were going.
i kno you love your dogs, but i'm sure if we got a hardcore rabbit enthusiast here they'd feel about us as we do about this guy. really it's all about what you know and what you're used to.

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I'm a hardcore rat enthusiast....most everyone feeds there snakes rats here. None of my snakes touch mice, unless they have to. All mine start out feeding on rats, and work their way up as they grow. I still keep giant Pythons that feed on Rats, Rabbits, and Pigs...

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Originally Posted by Gooseman

JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I DO NOT SUPPORT HIM FEEDING PUPPIES! I THINK IT'S SICK, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IT'S LEGALLY POSSIBLE TO PROSECUTE HIM FOR DOING SO

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here in cali, animal cruelty is a MAJOR thing. now i know why the petco where i work at actually keep the animals habitats clean,becuase if management comes in and sees even 1 animal in bad condition, the store manager is in MAJOR trouble!! so the guy feeding the puppy to the boa was a big deal in cali.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

but if it was just the problem of the snake being mistreated no one would care and he'd still be doin his thing, thats all i said there.

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Not if he got caught neglecting or mistreating the snake.

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and I would care.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

I can agree with you on some of this, but answer this....why feed a dog? With the availability of prey on the market today for the variety of predatory animals, there's simply no need to feed a dog to any type of carnivorous animal owned...

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andrew you're trying to justify his actions based on your morals. consider a moment that this guy is an idiot, but he also doesn't think about a dog like you do... think instead he thinks about it like you would a rabbit.

we're back to the dogs being companion animals, many people don't feel this way, I for one think they are... but many don't. and for those that dont' what the hell is the difference between feeding a dog and a rat? they're both furry mammals right? (i picked rats because they're clean and much smarter than bunnies)

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

I can agree with you on some of this, but answer this....why feed a dog? With the availability of prey on the market today for the variety of predatory animals, there's simply no need to feed a dog to any type of carnivorous animal owned...

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I do not really mean to defend this guy on feeding a dog. I don't see it as actually, morally wrong to do so, because animals are animals in my opinion. i see nothing wrong with eating cow, pig, horse, squirrel, or even dog meat. I do agree though; feeding a dog to your snake is in very poor taste. This person should not even own a snake if they cannot provide the right feed items to it.. I would really doubt that a puppy is the most nutritious, practical food for this guy's snake. It seems like he was a cheapskate who figured he'd get a free meal for his snake.. sad :( I can definately agree with you on that.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

andrew you're trying to justify his actions based on your morals. consider a moment that this guy is an idiot, but he also doesn't think about a dog like you do... think instead he thinks about it like you would a rabbit.

we're back to the dogs being companion animals, many people don't feel this way, I for one think they are... but many don't. and for those that dont' what the hell is the difference between feeding a dog and a rat? they're both furry mammals right? (i picked rats because they're clean and much smarter than bunnies)

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Take a minute, and think about what you just said. Re-read it a couple times. You say many people don't view or think of dogs this way....then why do so many households have dogs? Just for an extra mouth to feed, and another "body" to care for? I could think of rabbits the same way as I would rats. Would I neglect them, beat the, starve them, or mistreat them before feeding them to my animals; or just for pure sake of it? Hell no! If many didn't view dogs the same way I did, then why are there all these dog shows? Why are there all these people walking dogs at the park? Why are most pet stores filled will more dog/cat supplies than reptile supplies, or aquarium supplies? If this is true, then why is this guy serving time in jail for his actions?....

If what your saying is the case, then I'm mind boggled right now....:8:

It also said that the Boa was 8' long and if so should have been able to swollow the 3 week old puppy without the oil coating.

Again...it was fed to the snake purely for amusement.

It's just sad.

I think the bottom line is that happened in THIS country, where dogs are kept in nearly all households as a companion pets. This is a taboo because it happened here and we have deep rooted strong emotions for canines. It's not just geographics, it's a very close bond between our animals and ourselves and a very strong attitude towards it. This did not happen in a country that readily accepts it where this may have gone unnoticed.

Even for the people who dont feel that way about dogs, do they need to feed them off to sakes? I myself dont like cats one bit...would I feed one off or a kitten off to my snake...HELL NO.. its not about if you like particular animals or not. its about being kind to all animals liked or not liked. I guess what im tring to say is just because you dont like a particuler animal doesnt mean you need or should oil it up and feed it to a snake..just my:2cent:

just sayin.....

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

andrew you're trying to justify his actions based on your morals. consider a moment that this guy is an idiot, but he also doesn't think about a dog like you do... think instead he thinks about it like you would a rabbit.

we're back to the dogs being companion animals, many people don't feel this way, I for one think they are... but many don't. and for those that dont' what the hell is the difference between feeding a dog and a rat? they're both furry mammals right? (i picked rats because they're clean and much smarter than bunnies)

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Take a minute, and think about what you just said. Re-read it a couple times. You say many people don't view or think of dogs this way....then why do so many households have dogs? Just for an extra mouth to feed, and another "body" to care for? I could think of rabbits the same way as I would rats. Would I neglect them, beat the, starve them, or mistreat them before feeding them to my animals; or just for pure sake of it? Hell no! If many didn't view dogs the same way I did, then why are there all these dog shows? Why are there all these people walking dogs at the park? Why are most pet stores filled will more dog/cat supplies than reptile supplies, or aquarium supplies? If this is true, then why is this guy serving time in jail for his actions?....

If what your saying is the case, then I'm mind boggled right now....:8:

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thanks for being condescending... i really appreciate it...

you don't consider other cultures much do you?

Yes I do consider other cultures, and I'm fairly open minded and understanding of this but...Other cultures are one thing, however where was this done at? Which country, with which laws and regards towards these animals?...

Do you see many people eating dogs here, or things of that nature? Do you see many here feeding off dogs to their other animals?...

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Yes I do consider other cultures, and I'm fairly open minded and understanding of this but...Other cultures are one thing, however where was this done at? Which country, with which laws and regards towards these animals?...

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

In these here United States they don't "normally" eat wild dogs.

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this isnt really going anywhere. the point is some people make distinctions and some don't. this guy was wrong because he was feeding a puppy for his own enjoyment. but what's to say that at the conception of proper reptile husbandry dogs were found to be most nutritious and that was accepted instead of rats.
this isnt really about anything more than distinctions between animals. horses are considered companion animals by many, but we put them in dog food or glue no one considers this a travest (do we still even do this anymore?) point still stands either way.

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

BAM!

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Yay Emeril Lagasse!!! :P

There you go qiksilver. I'm not the only one who has stated this more than once.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Do you see many people eating dogs here, or things of that nature? Do you see many here feeding off dogs to their other animals?...

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Absolutely not, but we, the reptile-keeping live animal-feeding community need to be very careful and pay close attention to the issues that happen within our hobby.

I don't know about others, but what I'm saying is this: What is to stop the next person who sees someone feed a burmese python a rabbit from calling the police and reporting animal cruelty? Look at the U.K - you aren't allowed, by law, to feed live prey to reptiles. If stuff like this snowballs, we're right behind them.

I do think its wrong to feed a puppy to a snake but I do not think someone should be put in jail for it. While I think it was wrong for him to do that, the precedent it sets for the rest of us is far more important.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

but what's to say that at the conception of proper reptile husbandry dogs were found to be most nutritious and that was accepted instead of rats.

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If they were, I don't see it going far at all....

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

There you go qiksilver. I'm not the only one who has stated this more than once.

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congratulations then. but i don't care where it was done, different people have different notions about things and whether that makes them right or wrong is not for you to decide.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

If they were, I don't see it going far at all....

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ya know, i also find it interesting, that all you're trying to do is prove me wrong. that's too bad, i thought this was about other things.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Absolutely not, but we, the reptile-keeping live animal-feeding community need to be very careful and pay close attention to the issues that happen within our hobby.

I don't know about others, but what I'm saying is this: What is to stop the next person who sees someone feed a burmese python a rabbit from calling the police and reporting animal cruelty? Look at the U.K - you aren't allowed, by law, to feed live prey to reptiles. If stuff like this snowballs, we're right behind them.

I do think its wrong to feed a puppy to a snake but I do not think someone should be put in jail for it. While I think it was wrong for him to do that, the precedent it sets for the rest of us is far more important.

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I can agree with you on this. I stated before, it hurts the Giant keepers first, and later on trickles down to the smaller, more manageable species and effects the entire hobby. It's something we all need to be aware of, and help prevent. While some may say, or do the same about rabbits; rabbits are considered a feeder animal for more than just reptiles. I don't believe this would go very far....but something that needs to be kept under some "supervision".

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

congratulations then. but i don't care where it was done, different people have different notions about things and whether that makes them right or wrong is not for you to decide.

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Your right.... I'll leave that to the court :8:

As for the different people having different notions....sure. If you don't care where it was done, you might want to check again and start caring. You may think this is a game now, or not that bad...but what happens when you lose your right to keep your animals because of something like this?..

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

ya know, i also find it interesting, that all you're trying to do is prove me wrong. that's too bad, i thought this was about other things.

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You give me too much credit...:8:

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

congratulations then. but i don't care where it was done, different people have different notions about things and whether that makes them right or wrong is not for you to decide.

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but where it happened there are laws against this.

Ones notions have nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

I can agree with you on this. I stated before, it hurts the Giant keepers first, and later on trickles down to the smaller, more manageable species and effects the entire hobby. It's something we all need to be aware of, and help prevent. While some may say, or do the same about rabbits; rabbits are considered a feeder animal for more than just reptiles. I don't believe this would go very far....but something that needs to be kept under some "supervision".

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Absolutely.

I do think that the reptile community needs to be aware that the majority of the public like cutes furry animals and doesn't appreciate the fact that they are food for the pets we hold equally dear.

I do think that all of the d-bags on youtube who post videos of their burms eating rabbits, baby chickens, etc, need to grow up and stop flaunting their activities which are nothing more than cries to get attention. All of those "shock-videos" and feeding pictures do a disservice to the hobby.

As much as we love our snakes and want others to share in that, we MUST be considerate of other peoples' feelings by keeping some aspects of the hobby quiet.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Your right.... I'll leave that to the court :8:

As for the different people having different notions....sure. If you don't care where it was done, you might want to check again and start caring. You may think this is a game now, or not that bad...but what happens when you lose your right to keep your animals because of something like this?..

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because i disagree with you I'm playing games? you're really showing how open to things you are, weren't you the one who was just saying how accepting you are? you're twisting my words and intentions quite fantastically thanks you, and all because I don't agree with you.

we'll have to agree to disagree and you should learn what is involved in having a discussion where everyone will not line up their opinions to suit your whims.

Qik, I'm a little confused about where your stance is on this... First you were saying it was wrong that people discriminate against reptiles and that this should be seen as a reptile abuse case in addition to the a dog abuse case, but later on, I feel like you're trying to say we should respect that it's ok and it's someone's personal decision to feed a dog to a snake if it is consistent with their beliefs. But don't many of us know all to well about discrimination against reptiles, and the consequences of that? Do you believe that it's right that this happened in America? This didn't occur in a country that condones this.

Let's all be nice though, we're friends here :)

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

but where it happened there are laws against this.

Ones notions have nothing to do with it.

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laws against cruelty, and if it is not considered cruel to feed a rat to a snake then it should not be cruel to feed a dog to a snake, as far as I'm aware they're both animals, mammals even, I don't it should matter whether or not a few people consider them feeder animals. At one point they were all considered lab animals too.

Twisting words...no. What you said just answered it. This is all based on morals and opinions. No one will have the exact same opinion. This is why there are so many fights on the forums. Use for example, hybrids. This however was just sick and wrong. Obviously not just in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

laws against cruelty, and if it is not considered cruel to feed a rat to a snake then it should not be cruel to feed a dog to a snake, as far as I'm aware they're both animals, mammals even, I don't it should matter whether or not a few people consider them feeder animals. At one point they were all considered lab animals too.

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A. This was not the Boa's normal diet. as puppies are not just laying around on the corner ready to be picked off.

B. did he have to coat the dog in veg oil to feed it to the Boa? I mean that can not be very healthy for the snake either.

C. What gave him the right to show off the feeding to the two 15 year old kids? Which hopefully were the ones who turned his stupid a** in. and didn't think it was "cool".


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I think you need to look at WHY he fed the puppy to the snake to see if it consitutes curelty..If he oiled down a three week old puppy to feed a 8 foot snake in front of two teenagers, i think it points towards stupidity and curelty..

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

if it is not considered cruel to feed a rat to a snake then it should not be cruel to feed a dog to a snake

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THIS instance is sick and wrong yes. this guy is quite sadistic. but what i'm arguing against is passing judgement based on what you think. I don't appreciate animals being tortured for enjoyment, but as the 'elightened' society we consider ourselves we make categories within categories. we are on of the very few cultures who will make such a huge distinction between a rat and a dog, many just consider it all food. so saying it's intrinsically wrong to feed a dog to a snake is biased on the morals of our society. this started because i wanted others to appreciate a view besides their own, but that didn't so much happen. yes this happened here where we have laws against it, but what i'm questioning is why this happened, because i think it's unfair to judge the welfare of one creature more severely than another.

meme what does that have to do with what i said? my statement said nothing about health concerns, and in fact what you quoted was a response to a rather circular arguement i was having with andrewh

*holy crap, lets all jump on the bandwagon, i don't condone cruelty and never said i did

Arguement? You haven't been in many to tell the difference, have you?...


Let me ask you this...

All my animals are in perfect, tip top shape. They breed, lay healthy clutches, and feed regularly. Lets say I took a healthy puppy and fed it to one of my African Rocks. Does it make it right? I mean, both animals are healthy right? It's just like feeding a rat or rabbit, as you said....

Even done in other countries it could still effect us. Someone see's them feeding on a dog, or cat in another country. Pictures or video, what have you...they look at them as dangerous. It could spark more fear and interest to our hobby that were trying to avoid and steer clear of already. The general public fears our animals and hobby as is. Why enforce it?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

meme what does that have to do with what i said? my statement said nothing about health concerns, and in fact what you quoted was a response to a rather circular arguement i was having with andrewh

*holy crap, lets all jump on the bandwagon, i don't condone cruelty and never said i did

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this is what you said and I should have quoted you better. :oops:

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

laws against cruelty, and if it is not considered cruel to feed a rat to a snake then it should not be cruel to feed a dog to a snake

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

A. This was not the Boa's normal diet. as puppies are not just laying around on the corner ready to be picked off.

B. did he have to coat the dog in veg oil to feed it to the Boa? I mean that can not be very healthy for the snake either.

C. What gave him the right to show off the feeding to the two 15 year old kids? Which hopefully were the ones who turned his stupid a** in. and didn't think it was "cool".


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This was clearly some of the cruelty they were speaking of. Not just the fact that he fed the puppy to the Boa.

7 pages arguing over feeding? Comparing dogs to... rats?

The way I see it, whenever you go to a reptile shop to buy a mouse/rat, what goes through your mind? Nothing, as there is no loss to buying a cheap rodent when feeding it to your snake (except the money paid for it). What were their sole purpose of life? Not to be raised as pets, much like dogs/cats are.

Anyway, this is only gonna give snake keepers bad rep. As far as show casing the feeding, most have us have posted pictures and/or videos of feedings. So we really can't jump on him for that.

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Originally Posted by Grim91Z

As far as show casing the feeding, most have us have posted pictures and/or videos of feedings. So we really can't jump on him for that.

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Have you ever invited teenagers over to your home to watch you feed your snake a completely unconventional prey item? This seems a bit different than taking pics of your snake eating a mouse.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Arguement? You haven't been in many to tell the difference, have you?...


Let me ask you this...

All my animals are in perfect, tip top shape. They breed, lay healthy clutches, and feed regularly. Lets say I took a healthy puppy and fed it to one of my African Rocks. Does it make it right? I mean, both animals are healthy right? It's just like feeding a rat or rabbit, as you said....

Even done in other countries it could still effect us. Someone see's them feeding on a dog, or cat in another country. Pictures or video, what have you...they look at them as dangerous. It could spark more fear and interest to our hobby that were trying to avoid and steer clear of already. The general public fears our animals and hobby as is. Why enforce it?

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public opinion aside, if you honestly thought that what you were doing was the best possible thing for your snakes i think it would be unfair to judge you. animal husbandry is not an exact science and if you thought that this would lead to healthier animals then why not? but i also don't think you'd be advertising that if you were if you cared about your animals. I thought we weren't considering other countries because this happened here, that was you that said that. If we are then let's consider India, in some parts cows are sacred, and here we keep them in horrid conditions, slaughter them and eat them, what must people elsewhere think of us? like i said earlier it all has to do with personal/cultural morals.

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Originally Posted by darkangel

Have you ever invited teenagers over to your home to watch you feed your snake a completely unconventional prey item? This seems a bit different than taking pics of your snake eating a mouse.

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you make a great point.
but on that note, I'll belabor my point some more. i personally hate feeding pics. i enjoy my snakes feeding because it means they're healthy, but i have no interest in watching someone elses snake mangle a mouse. it's natural and i don't understand why that gives people such a rush. but im not about to condemn it, i'll even look at them and say oh nice snake, but i'll never post pics of my collection eating... some things interest some people, other things don't.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

public opinion aside, if you honestly thought that what you were doing was the best possible thing for your snakes i think it would be unfair to judge you. animal husbandry is not an exact science and if you thought that this would lead to healthier animals then why not? but i also don't think you'd be advertising that if you were if you cared about your animals. I thought we weren't considering other countries because this happened here, that was you that said that. If we are then let's consider India, in some parts cows are sacred, and here we keep them in horrid conditions, slaughter them and eat them, what must people elsewhere think of us? like i said earlier it all has to do with personal/cultural morals.

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Weren't you the one who kept bringing up other countries/cultures even after it was put down more than once, pup? Your right, animal husbandry isn't an exact science, but we have done wonders so far for most species. Those species have, for the most part, been fed lab raised or feeder specialist rodents and small mammals....not dogs...

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

public opinion aside, if you honestly thought that what you were doing was the best possible thing for your snakes i think it would be unfair to judge you.

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all bs aside...


Do you honestly believe that his guy was doing the best possible thing for his snake?

I am judging him based on that.

Im not jumping on any bandwagon. I guess im just confused is all...Do you think feeding a puppy to a snake in THIS case is cruel?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

*holy crap, lets all jump on the bandwagon, i don't condone cruelty and never said i did

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

you make a great point.
but on that note, I'll belabor my point some more. i personally hate feeding pics. i enjoy my snakes feeding because it means they're healthy, but i have no interest in watching someone elses snake mangle a mouse. it's natural and i don't understand why that gives people such a rush. but im not about to condemn it, i'll even look at them and say oh nice snake, but i'll never post pics of my collection eating... some things interest some people, other things don't.

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Personally I do enjoy watching or taking pictures of my snakes eating. But everytime I also can't help but feel some sense of compassion for the animal that is dying. I enjoy the pictures because I think they're incredible, efficient hunters and with the manufactured crap we feed our other pets, it's a rare moment to actually get to see a functional predator/prey relationship in action.

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Originally Posted by darkangel

Personally I do enjoy watching or taking pictures of my snakes eating. But everytime I also can't help but feel some sense of compassion for the animal that is dying. I enjoy the pictures because I think they're incredible, efficient hunters and with the manufactured crap we feed our other pets, it's a rare moment to actually get to see a functional predator/prey relationship in action.

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Dang...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to darkangel again.

The article just reeks of tabloid-type sensationalism to me. It is yet another kibble of feed to help the Snakes Are Evil Mindset. :( Instead of quibbling over the rights to feed any animal to any other animal or not, we should just remember the real reason for this article; to sell newspapers and shock the public.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

The article just reeks of tabloid-type sensationalism to me. It is yet another kibble of feed to help the Snakes Are Evil Mindset. :( Instead of quibbling over the rights to feed any animal to any other animal or not, we should just remember the real reason for this article; to sell newspapers and shock the public.

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Absolutely right, like the media really cares about the well being of the pup or Boa.