Morph King Reptiles . . .

MKR keeps getting better and better everyday.
I wonder how many other people they have sold a snake to for more then it's worth and have lied to in the process....
Nope, they will never get a penny from me.

And Red, great debate but just didn't feel like keeping it going. Wes had the perfect opportunity to prove his claims and didn't do it. Personally I think this thread should go to the BOI... give MKR all the bad publicity it can get.

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

And Red, great debate but just didn't feel like keeping it going. Wes had the perfect opportunity to prove his claims and didn't do it. Personally I think this thread should go to the BOI... give MKR all the bad publicity it can get.

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Haha. I'm glad it stopped. All these long posts hurt my eyes. I must say I'm a bit disappointed that Wes didn't find it necessary to answer any of the questions. The only reason I ever defended them is that, although Joe's business practices are far from respectable, I thought it was a bit much for everyone to be so quick in saying that they lie about the genetics of their animals. From what I gathered from Wes's post they are actually genetic, but he doesn't even know the genetics of it. He should definately have held off on selling any if that is the case.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Mkkkkk. First of. You basicly just ripped him off and lied to him. Or gave him a het snow. That faded albino could be a snow. Go figure, your little morph dealy didnt work.

Second. Just because hes 14 and still young doesnt mean he isnt capable of making his own decitions(even though they may have started out in the wrong way.By buying from you) or spending his own money.

I cant belive you said that..this thread will be bookmarked!:carrot:

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I think he mentioned the age thing b/c it is illegal to enter contracts with a minor.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I think he mentioned the age thing b/c it is illegal to enter contracts with a minor.

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There wasn't a writen contract though.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

There wasn't a writen contract though.

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Doesn't matter. I'm quite sure that Adam spoke with your mother before agreeing to ship a snake to you, since you are a minor.

BUT who's fault would that be? Wes. He should have talked to his mother, so he really cant say anything about it being illegal.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

There wasn't a writen contract though.

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By making the sale he was entering into a contract (at least in my basic understanding of law). I would never make a sale to a minor without speaking to his/her parents. There is too much room for bad things to happen. Reputations being compromised or animals paying the price.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

BUT who's fault would that be? Wes. He should have talked to his mother, so he really cant say anything about it being illegal.

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It is the seller's responsibility. There is a reason they are called minors.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

BUT who's fault would that be? Wes. He should have talked to his mother, so he really cant say anything about it being illegal.

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Wes is COMPLETELY at fault. He NEVER should have sold that snake unless he went thru the parents.

You DO NOT sell to minors. Period.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Doesn't matter. I'm quite sure that Adam spoke with your mother before agreeing to ship a snake to you, since you are a minor.

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I think he spoke to her for shipping costs and how he was going to ship...I was there when he did it.Im nto sure..they sure were having a good time though..lol...:rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by stangs13

they sure were having a good time though..lol...:rolleye2:

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Ummm...

It's surprising how few breeders actually check the age of who they are selling to. Lord knows how much money I've spent over the last few years with various different breeders, and I have yet to have anyone check my age. I'm technically still not old enough to make the purchases myself.

They knew that I was 14. It is good to let the breeder know that you are underage IMO.

-Andre

So what are you going to do Andre? Are you going to keep him? Or send him back?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Ummm...

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Thats how Adam rolls.;)

I might have to keep him because I am not yet certified to ship through fedex. If I want to return him what would I do?


-Andre

Become certified to ship FedEx. Or find someone who is and ask if you can ship the snake throug hthem.

Al Guetzko lives in my city and is certified to ship through delta. I could ask him but since he owns a carlot now he is a very busy man.


-Andre

As said before, I would just move on and just not make the same mistake. If you don't make any Yellow blushes, MKR's bad reputation goes even lower.

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

Al Guetzko lives in my city and is certified to ship through delta. I could ask him but since he owns a carlot now he is a very busy man.


-Andre

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He is shipping a package for me next week. Most likely Monday afternoon for Tuesday delivery. I will be calling him tomorrow to confirm. Since he is already shipping one box, he could probably ship yours at the same time.

Call him up and ask, I mean it can't hurt - just tell him the whole story.

True. I will call Wes tomorrow and see if I can return him for sure. I will call Al also to see if he will ship him for me. Now here is something else. Should I have to pay for the shipping or should MKR have to?

-Andre

You may have to pay to ship the snake back, but I'd really try to get MKR to do it, or to give you that money back too!

Hi, a few days ago i posted in this thread that a freind told me about MKR contacting him wanting to buy Majoves and other morphs to fill there orders.A few minutes after i posted that i was told to shut my mouth thru a email from someone else that is collecting evidence against MKR in order to shut them down for good.I thank Smulkin for deleting that post for me.My reason for making this post is,the freind has now posted the exact words i posted here on Faunaclassifieds.I will admit i did tell a lie sorta when i said it was a breeder freind who told me he was contacted by MKR.The reason for doing this was just incase MKR found out they would never be able to figure out who my freind was.If you think about it i never mentioned what type of reptiles my freind breeds.Just incase anyone questions about whether or not i am telling the truth here i pm Judy(JLC) my freinds name and she can now confirm this it was Bobby Hill (AKA VARNYARD).I wonder if Joe or Wes will reply:rolleyes: .I ask everyone to not get into anymore heated arguments here when it comes to this thread.If you want to post anything or just for your own readings go to faunaclassifieds and add to that thread.:cool:

Andre why not return it to them using their shipping account?? Randy

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Andre why not return it to them using their shipping account?? Randy

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Isnt that illegal? Also they shipped via UPS.

-Andre

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

Isnt that illegal? Also they shipped via UPS.

-Andre

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Andre,if you get MKR permission to ship that snake back to them on there account with UPS who cares if they get introuble.With you being a minor i doubt UPS will even care if they catch it.

Alright. I will do that. I am going to call Wes later and see. So I could ship him back my self on their account if they give me permission?

-Andre

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

Isnt that illegal? Also they shipped via UPS.

-Andre

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I would at least argue to have them split the shipping costs. Any fair businessmen would make that accomodation in my eyes.

I thought UPS didn't ship snakes...?

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Originally Posted by JasonGranger

I thought UPS didn't ship snakes...?

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They aren't accepting any new shippers but they allowed people who were certified before the rules changed to continue to ship

Well, I just got off of the phone with Wes from MKR. He knows that I am having trouble shipping the snake back so he is going to let me keep the snake and is refunding me my $500.

-Andre

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

Well, I just got off of the phone with Wes from MKR. He knows that I am having trouble shipping the snake back so he is going to let me keep the snake and is refunding me my $500.

-Andre

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Thats great Andre! Please post when infact you do have your money inhand.How long will it be before you get it back?

I have the money right now in my payapl account!


-Andre

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Originally Posted by Regal Boids

I have the money right now in my payapl account!


-Andre

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Glad to hear man! Now take that money and spend it with a quality breeder! :)

glad you came to a resolution. congrats! https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...4/7/cheer3.gif

Andre,

Since your so unhappy with your het for yellow blush albino male.
Also since shipping is a problem for you I will just refund your $500.00
and let you keep your snake. This can be a lesson for all businesses
when dealing with children contact the parents and make sure it's alright for them to buy.
Now just so everyone knows Andre has asked me to loan him $2000.00 to start a web business and has asked me to send him money for adult breeder females.
Never once did he say anything about doubting the yellow blush project during any of our conversations.

Tomorrow we are filming a show with about 150 + Snakes hets and visual morphs forsale it's going to be a good time. :sabduel:

Wes

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This can be a lesson for all businesses
when dealing with children contact the parents and make sure it's alright for them to buy.

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Shouldn't you have known this in the first place?

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Tomorrow we are filming a show with about 150 + Snakes hets and visual morphs forsale it's going to be a good time.

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I am counting the moments. The last one made me laugh for days on end...

We are a big producer of Mojaves so far we haven't needed to buy any.
We have 6 Super mojave and lesser x mojave Males . We undersold our production this season so we should be able to sell a few more before we run out.:salute:

Wes

That is GREAT to hear Andre! Now please invest in some research before running out and buying a snake from the first "good breeder" you run into. I'd HIGHLY recommend asking all your questions about breeders & genetics on this forum because we have some outstanding people who breed on here who have the love and passion for these snakes and for breeding only the best too. Take Adam (8ball) for prime example! I knoe many people on here will know the proper information for your questions, and also be more then willing to help you get off on the right foot with starting up a good collection of Ball Pythons.

Like Joe said, this place is like a second family to a lot of us.
None of us want to see or read people getting burned or scammed.


I'm very very happy that this worked out like it did in the end, and please let this be a lesson learned because you could have been really out of a few hundred dollars.

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Originally Posted by Wes Harris

Andre,

Since your so unhappy with your het for yellow blush albino male.
Also since shipping is a problem for you I will just refund your $500.00
and let you keep your snake. This can be a lesson for all businesses
when dealing with children contact the parents and make sure it's alright for them to buy.
Now just so everyone knows Andre has asked me to loan him $2000.00 to start a web business and has asked me to send him money for adult breeder females.
Never once did he say anything about doubting the yellow blush project during any of our conversations.

Tomorrow we are filming a show with about 150 + Snakes hets and visual morphs forsale it's going to be a good time. :sabduel:

Wes

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that is verry generious of you wes. i dont know to many breeders who would of done the same. some say they would but i dout they ever have.

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Originally Posted by BALLISTIC BOAS

that is verry generious of you wes. i dont know to many breeders who would of done the same. some say they would but i dout they ever have.

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You don't know many breeders that would sell a kid a snake without consulting his parents, mislead them on the genetics and then give a refund to do damage control? I would hope not.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

You don't know many breeders that would sell a kid a snake without consulting his parents, mislead them on the genetics and then give a refund to do damage control? I would hope not.

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as far as contacting the parents you are all right. that should of been done.

when it comes to genitics i feal both parties are at fault. wes for not explaining it completely and the kid for not doing all his home work.

the refund may be damage control, but most people do not offer to give you another het for free or let you keep the snake with a full refund. this is the only point i was trying to make!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

You don't know many breeders that would sell a kid a snake without consulting his parents, mislead them on the genetics and then give a refund to do damage control? I would hope not.

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well said jamie!!! :sunny:

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Originally Posted by BALLISTIC BOAS

let you keep the snake with a full refund.

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i agree, it was very generous of them.

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

i agree, it was very generous of them.

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exactly even though this deal kind of went to crap they still went out of there way to make this kid was verry happy with his deal. the thing that i learned from this is if you do a deal with mkr they are going to go out of there way to make sure that in the end you are happy with the deal. that is very comendable.

well i wouldn't go that far... after all in wes' post he does go on to share some private information which should have been kept between the two of them.

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Originally Posted by Wes Harris

Now just so everyone knows Andre has asked me to loan him $2000.00 to start a web business and has asked me to send him money for adult breeder females.
Wes

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i can only assume that wes was attempting to make andre look bad?

imo, andre needs to re-think who he goes into business with and as a minor... remember that his parents would be responsible for any moneys lost.

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

well said jamie!!! :sunny:

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Thank ya very much!

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Originally Posted by BALLISTIC BOAS

exactly even though this deal kind of went to crap they still went out of there way to make this kid was verry happy with his deal. the thing that i learned from this is if you do a deal with mkr they are going to go out of there way to make sure that in the end you are happy with the deal. that is very comendable.

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It's called damage control, this is on another big forum and will hurt their business. Whats $500 out of their pocket when they want to sell a million in 20 days. :rolleyes: