My dealings with MKR

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Originally Posted by xdeus

It's interesting (but not surprising) that I have yet to hear a rebuttal from the MKR supporters on this site regarding the claims made about MKRs personal vendetta against other breeders and their other unsavory business practices. Instead, the only thing I hear from them is "They're cheap!", "They're really nice!", "They were willing to work with me to make my dreams come true!".

I have to say that's rather sad if those are your only criteria for doing business with someone as unethical and sleazy as MKR. What they did has much more of an impact than dumping 50 cheap morphs on the market, but it's a shame that there are people that can't see that or maybe they're just unable to see past their wallet.

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Great points man! Don't expect to see an answer to it though...

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Instead, the only thing I hear from them is "They're cheap!", "They're really nice!", "They were willing to work with me to make my dreams come true!".
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you are darn right that is what i look for in a breeder. and if those qualityes dont apeal to you that says something.

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Originally Posted by BALLISTIC BOAS

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you are darn right that is what i look for in a breeder. and if those qualityes dont apeal to you that says something.

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You still don't get it. You also didn't answer my question. What if MKR came out and said they were going to take over the Boa market and put all breeders out of business. I am guessing you wouldn't be so cool with it then.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

ANYONE can get Ball Pythons to breed. There is more to it than that.

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I meant by that was "it will take years to get your name out there and to get that "well known/good breeder rep, etc."

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

I meant by that was "it will take years to get your name out there and to get that "well known/good breeder rep, etc."

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I wasn't disagreeing :)

Just making a point that seems to escape many...

I wish you guys handnt buried the best posts of the entire 10 page thread with football talk.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Jessie,


How long have you been keeping BP's?

The reason I ask is because it usually takes the rest of us poor people years to build up morphs. We start with normals, breed them, sell or trade the offspring for other animals, etc.

It usually takes quite a while to be able to build up a breeding colony with one morph let alone several unless you are rich or crazy enough to borrow funds to buy animals.

So, how long ago did you get your first BP and decide on breeding higher end animals?

I am not being antagonistic. Just trying to see if you are trying to jump in as fast as you can with morphs without even successfully breeding a pair of normals.

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Originally Posted by Rapture

I started keeping balls only a year or so ago, then just recently bought a het albino male, which are not expensive no matter where you get them... because that's what I knew I could afford. I am now paying off a pastel male because I cannot afford to buy it all at one time. It's a patient process, but if you KNOW it's something you REALLY want to do and you are PASSIONATE about the business, you will do it.

To me it seems that since you had already started to just give up on the whole thing, right until someone got you a good deal on a couple of snakes so you could afford them right then and there, you are just in it for the quick fix. I truely believe that to be successful in anything, you have to be in it for the long run.

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I agree 100% with you guys, noone gets into morphs overnight like she wanted to.

Sounds to me like you would have given up on breeding all together if this hadnt fallen in your lap. Says a little something about your determination, I suppose. Good Luck with your endeavors, none the less. :)

if they droped the prices of high end morphs then that only means that i can invest and buy a ton more divers animals. i dont care what is said if you buy a snake for 1000 and have 5 babies that go for 300 a pice you are still going to make money. it pays off the 1000 snake and then the next year is all prophit. it is as simple as that

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Originally Posted by BALLISTIC BOAS

if they droped the prices of high end morphs then that only means that i can invest and buy a ton more divers animals. i dont care what is said if you buy a snake for 1000 and have 5 babies that go for 300 a pice you are still going to make money. it pays off the 1000 snake and then the next year is all prophit. it is as simple as that

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You aren't being honest or don't know any better.

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tell me what about my post dosnt make sence. insted of just saying i dont get it smart guy. haha

OK, folks, this is the 2nd time in 2 days I have had to step in and put out your flames!!! Frankly, I think this is rediculous. And some of the attitudes toward other staff is not right, this is a place we make for you to come, free of charge to YOU... we work really hard for no pay and hate to see that our hard work is basically getting peed in like the local public pool....

I would appreciate it if you could "can" the animosity toward eachother.. frankly, I dont give a hairless rats arse who bought from whom, and blah blah blah... take your squables to PM please if you plan on continuing them.

If you cant play nice in the forums and threads, please do not play at all!

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Originally Posted by BALLISTIC BOAS

tell me what about my post dosnt make sence. insted of just saying i dont get it smart guy. haha

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Just saying that you will still make your money off the snakes doesn't answer the question. MKR has come out and stated that their intention is to put all the other Ball Python breeders out of business. Delusional, I admit. However, my question was, what if they were aiming their sites at your precious Boa market. You would be crying your eyes out and calling everyone you know since you just spent so much money on Boaphile cages and high end Boa morphs. Its you that doesn't get it and never will. I guess we can chalk it up to inexperience in the ways of the world. Too bad we can't say that for some of the other MKR supporters.

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

OK, folks, this is the 2nd time in 2 days I have had to step in and put out your flames!!! Frankly, I think this is rediculous. And some of the attitudes toward other staff is not right, this is a place we make for you to come, free of charge to YOU... we work really hard for no pay and hate to see that our hard work is basically getting peed in like the local public pool....

I would appreciate it if you could "can" the animosity toward eachother.. frankly, I dont give a hairless rats arse who bought from whom, and blah blah blah... take your squables to PM please if you plan on continuing them.

If you cant play nice in the forums and threads, please do not play at all!

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yes mame (*off to play with my ball alone*)

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Originally Posted by BALLISTIC BOAS

if they droped the prices of high end morphs then that only means that i can invest and buy a ton more divers animals. i dont care what is said if you buy a snake for 1000 and have 5 babies that go for 300 a pice you are still going to make money. it pays off the 1000 snake and then the next year is all prophit. it is as simple as that

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Um... your scenario gave a 60% drop... what if it were a 90% drop like MKR did? Now your 5 babies are only worth $500 and the next year they will be worth $50 (I wonder when you'll make back that $1000?).

Oh, what was that? MKR just undercut you and sold to your customers? Gee... maybe you can trade those 5 babies to Petco for some feeder rats.

Jessie K., I do not like where your ball pythons came from, but I do wish you the best of luck with them. and your future breeding plans. if I can ever be any help to you you know how to get ahold of me. :)

In this thread, personally, I merely posted my thoughts on a breeder who's shaking things up in a bad way. How will we all feel when we see pasels at petco for $80? I can't see why this breeder had to do this; they could have enjoyed the awesome market for these snakes the way it was, in which people basically worked and strove toward those high dollar morphs...
I am not posting another thread about this breeder, personally. I am going to try and pretend they don't even exist; I am tired of providing them free advertising by even talking about them..

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Jessie K., I do not like where your ball pythons came from, but I do wish you the best of luck with them. and your future breeding plans. if I can ever be any help to you you know how to get ahold of me. :)

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That's why you are a superstar..

Why support the type of person (Joe) that runs MKR?


Doesn't anyone (except maybe a few people) see that there is more to buying an animal than strictly price?

MKR has stated they dumped animals to get even with bigger breeders. They SPECIFICALLY stated they want to hurt Bob Clark, Mike Wilbanks, and NERD. In addition, all small breeders are going to be put out of business by MKR.

The way they go about selling their animals is the problem.

Stop looking at MKR as being the cheapest and look at MKR as a whole. They have no regards for anything except to make as much money as possible and put anyone who upsets them out of business.

This is not the type of company anyone should be supporting.

They hurt the BP market with the dump. They are now moving onto the gecko market, and who knows what else from there. These are not animals to them. They are (to quote Joe) "products".

Everyone says great they have cheap prices. Well, what happens if you pay $1000 for an animal from them today and next month they sell them at $100 each? What if the next year they are $50? You will have in reality, spent $1000 for a $50 animal according to the market. Smaller breeders will be out of business because they cannot produce on the scale MKR does, and larger breeders will be hurt because of trying to compete with MKR.

The mission of MKR is to make as much money as possible in as little time as possible (to quote Joe again) $1 million in 20 days is the goal".

They will get there ANYWAY they can. People who look at nothing besides price will help them.

THERE IS MORE TO CONSIDER WHEN BUYING AN ANIMAL THAN PRICE!

I really don't undertand some people. How can you listen to the way MKR talks to people and how they view the market and STILL send them money.

How can you give money to someone that publicly threatens to put others out of business and goes on to belittle them?

I don't get it.

It seems that the lowest price, no matter who gives it to them, is all that some people care about.

Charles Manson could be a top player in the reptile marketplace as long as he had the cheapest price.:mad:

The only thing I will add to this thread is that after seeing his arrogant attitude on BOI I know many people who will be steering very very clear of him.


Good luck with your scaley kids Jessica, be sure to post pictures!!

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Charles Manson could be a top player in the reptile marketplace as long as he had the cheapest price.:mad:

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Old Charlie would have done a better job with their recent attempt at an online marketing campaign as well! Charlie's ramblings seem downright coherent after watching the latest episode of Morph King TV!

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Originally Posted by SPJ

I really don't undertand some people. How can you listen to the way MKR talks to people and how they view the market and STILL send them money. How can you give money to someone that publicly threatens to put others out of business and goes on to belittle them?

I don't get it.

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That makes two of us... :confused:

wow! i just finished watching FRI 13th part 7 and amittyville! i missed a bit?



vaughn

My family friendly take on this is as follows:


If you were shopping for ball morphs, prior to the MKR BS, they were just another one of your options to buy from with competing prices.

If you watched the market and available breeders to purchase from this year, they may or may not have been your 1st choice, when pricing was along the same lines - If you did buy from them at that point in time, and are happy - so be it.

If you did purchase from them when they dropped the personal vendetta bomb, and bought on impulse due to their lower prices, without wondering why their prices are so low, than you are innocent of anything other than shopping around for the best deal "in your own opinion" to afford what you could at the time - Nothing wrong with that except for the fact that you did not do your homework and research why their prices are so low.

If you knowingly did your research, "and the BOI is your friend" - knowing what went on with MKR, and jumped in on the band wagon to get a cheaper snake, and are happy with your decision - Than good for you.

I do not support their business, never have, never will - Personally with all the BS they talk, and that of their "egged on supporters" to come on and post for them - is just childish - To each his own.

MKR with it's own conduct will fall IMO - They are setting themselves up for it with their own behavior, and they don't rule the BP world - may not be a fly by night, however their time will come.

If you bought from them and are happy, so than be it - Should you be intimidated because you have ? - Not at all period. - But lets not come here and be all dramatic about it either if you do support them and looking for attention - that personally sickens me - to each his own, and to each his/her own thought through decisions - We make them and will live with them.

The ghosts that come on here think that we don't see them, when in actuallity, we do infact see them and see right through them - If this was my board "which it's not" - I would have to call in ghostbusters and rid this forum of ghosts and all of it's kind - I'm all for keeping this forum friendly and family oriented as it has been until lately - and will take any arguments over to fauna - there is no need to hold your feelings there - lets keep it clean here and move on - Just my .02 from a 41 year old man :rockon:

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Originally Posted by BP's Rock

My family friendly take on this is as follows:


If you were shopping for ball morphs, prior to the MKR BS, they were just another one of your options to buy from with competing prices.

If you watched the market and available breeders to purchase from this year, they may or may not have been your 1st choice, when pricing was along the same lines - If you did buy from them at that point in time, and are happy - so be it.

If you did purchase from them when they dropped the personal vendetta bomb, and bought on impulse due to their lower prices, without wondering why their prices are so low, than you are innocent of anything other than shopping around for the best deal "in your own opinion" to afford what you could at the time - Nothing wrong with that except for the fact that you did not do your homework and research why their prices are so low.

If you knowingly did your research, "and the BOI is your friend" - knowing what went on with MKR, and jumped in on the band wagon to get a cheaper snake, and are happy with your decision - Than good for you.

I do not support their business, never have, never will - Personally with all the BS they talk, and that of their "egged on supporters" to come on and post for them - is just childish - To each his own.

MKR with it's own conduct will fall IMO - They are setting themselves up for it with their own behavior, and they don't rule the BP world - may not be a fly by night, however their time will come.

If you bought from them and are happy, so than be it - Should you be intimidated because you have ? - Not at all period. - But lets not come here and be all dramatic about it either if you do support them and looking for attention - that personally sickens me - to each his own, and to each his/her own thought through decisions - We make them and will live with them.

The ghosts that come on here think that we don't see them, when in actuallity, we do infact see them and see right through them - If this was my board "which it's not" - I would have to call in ghostbusters and rid this forum of ghosts and all of it's kind - I'm all for keeping this forum friendly and family oriented as it has been until lately - and will take any arguments over to fauna - there is no need to hold your feelings there - lets keep it clean here and move on - Just my .02 from a 41 year old man :rockon:

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Well said!!

good points! i agree, mkr has their own forum. lets keep our forum the way it has been before this crap.


vaughn

** walks in and feels the cold**
** walks out looking for a UTH for heat***

b p 's ROCK, I am both MKR and Ghost busters wrapped into one. I will hide my true identity until I reach the BOI. then who ya gonna call.


The MKR camp took a direct hit, but it was mostly self inflicted.

When a group of hobbiests band togeather to try and protect what they are passionate about, its a very strong force to contend with.

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

it actualy takes alot to make me mad and my day started off at a bad point.

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I am happy that something good finally happened to you. Of all the people that deserve some good luck, you are definitely one of them.

I am sure your dealings with MKR were very pleasant, and I am sure that your snakes will be awesome! I wish you all the best in your ventures :) Don't let anyone get you down, remember - they are just words

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Whatever

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You should lighten up a bit, it seems like you are just saying some things to get a rise out of an already boiling situation.. At worst, just agree to disagree and let it go

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Not according to him this morning in a post on Fauna where he praised them for their customer service and care for him as a customer. After I outed him for the liar he is, he suddenly became their office manager/it consultant/comptroller/cage cleaner/ass kisser/toilet cleaner/bookeeper/birdwatcher. He then gotten beaten to a pulp over there and ended up with a rating lower than I thought was possible. Wes should rethink his marketing campaign. First he sends out a delusional ass to stump for MKR and then he sends a compulsive liar to post threads and try to steal sales on other forums. Good move guys!

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He was never trying to steal sales, his words got twisted and manipulated to the point that someone got everyone to believe what he wanted them to believe.

the only reason anyone from mkr is on this forum is to generate sales!


to put a plug on a thread involving another breeders deal is very tasteless and low.


vaughn

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Originally Posted by kavmon

the only reason anyone from mkr is on this forum is to generate sales!


to put a plug on a thread involving another breeders deal is very tasteless and low.


vaughn

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Even if they are here to help their sales... Why not? There are countless other people on this forum who breed them also - it seems like MKR are shammed because they sell for less.


I agree that reverse price-gouging is tough, but why don't
the other breeders lower their prices to compete? Now, I do not know anything when it comes to breeding and the snake trade, but I do understand competitive advantage.. Sometimes it sucks.

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Originally Posted by kavmon

to put a plug on a thread involving another breeders deal is very tasteless and low.


vaughn

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ya but i didn't bite at his offer anyway :D i did bite adam though :wuv:

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Originally Posted by bchapman

He was never trying to steal sales, his words got twisted and manipulated to the point that someone got everyone to believe what he wanted them to believe.

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See you as you see it - The ghost has no FN business in this forum, or any other for that matter to jump into anothers thread for a sales pitch - MKR has no respect for whatsoever - Maybe and hopefully they are feeling the pinch - perhaps not at the moment, but what comes around, goes around - MKR is bad for the general public and general BP keeper as well - My opinions may get me banned from here, but you know what - There is alot of kids here as well as older people like me - I'm not here to mis-inform them and lead them into a mis-guided direction, as some may do - They have their own forums, and have been kicked off many due to their behavior and practices - They don't belong here either IMO :rockon:

bchapman, you see nothing wrong in plugging a sale on a thread about another breeders sale?


i personally don't agree with using false motives to make a sale. i don't agree to taking advantage of a good forum just to make a sale. if you are a regular member and participate in the forums and people come to you, that's different. if you're only here to make a sale and all you do is plug yourself and throw ads, i find that low and not honorable! that's not how i live and not how i treat people.


vaughn

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Originally Posted by bchapman

I agree that reverse price-gouging is tough, but why don't
the other breeders lower their prices to compete? Now, I do not know anything when it comes to breeding and the snake trade, but I do understand competitive advantage.. Sometimes it sucks.

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MKR didn't price gouge, it's called a market dump. The entire purpose of a market dump is to devalue a product to such a degree that it can't recover. Although, it's likely Mojave's will eventually stabalize, they probably won't regain any value.

And contrary to MKR's good ol' boys claims, this wouldn't have happened if MKR hadn't done the market dump in the first place. That isn't good business, because it devalues a product THEY are selling.

Plain and simple, Joe wanted to punish Bob and Mike because they are better businessmen then Joe will ever be. So instead of improving service, he pulled a typical junky car salesman and punished the entire industry.

do you have any pics? ill have to beg but if my husband ever lets me get another bp it would be a pied. i dont really know all that much about mkr but good luck to you.

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

one 100% het pied male and one Pastel male.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

They say we won't allow a touchdown! Damon Huard is doing good for a benchwarmer :D

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Yeah, Huard is doing pretty good. He was Hasslebeck's back up in Seattle who was Favre's backup in Green Bay. Maybe something got passed down. One can only hope he keeps it up.

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Originally Posted by bchapman

He was never trying to steal sales, his words got twisted and manipulated to the point that someone got everyone to believe what he wanted them to believe.

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If that is what you want to believe. Fiction can be fun!

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

as you all know I have very little money to spend. I keep looking to see if I could find something with in my price range but no such luck.

so I desided to write in my blog in myspace just to get it out about the fact that my dream was to some day breed beautiful morphs but that I felt that dream fadeing away.

with as little income as I have (enough to buy food for my snakes and vet bills and any other emergency buys, water bowls, heating pads, extra tubs ect ect) I didnt see my self getting any farther than picking up male normal ball pythons from people.

well my my myspace page has a link to my husbands websites hexibase.com and teamtoxicbass.com and both has his contact info. and i got a call from MKR and Joe wanted to know everything I wanted to do. what my true dream was.

Thanks to him and Wes I can fufill my dream and I couldent be any happier. I actualy started crying. I gave up on ball python breeding all togeather. but now I have that jumpstart I really needed.

Burn me all you want people. I might be mad about it but you know what, I have the start I need to make my dream become reality. and they have been nothing but helpful, kind and very informitive.


I know I will never get as big of a breeder like Markus Jane or Adam but dang it I want to start out right and with this nudge I just got it will happen.

if what I just did caluses you to think twice about buying form me, talking to me, or selling to me then your sad. I'm tired of getting burned, harassed, joked on, pushed around and sent PMs about my dealings with MKR.

I'm very happy and greatful for this and you know what ... if you want something to burn me on or harass me about... do it about this...

BITE ME!
there you go. get on me for being a female dog on a public forum. not about something good that finaly happens to me . nothing good ever happens to me, and when it finaly dose I end up walking on egg shels around you all so I can still be "good little jessie" I want to shout out that something great happened to me and this is what I get? Flame Wars and me being the brunt of todays jokes?

I'm saddened by this, hurt, and most of all I feel let down.

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With everything that the original post started, Jessie...I gotta ask you this: what was your point? To start trouble? What you've done is mark yourself as someone who supports a breeder that doesn't support the industry, and basically black-balled yourself on here. Congratulations. Please don't complain when you are unable to recoup some of your investment because Joe turns around and undercuts you.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

With everything that the original post started, Jessie...I gotta ask you this: what was your point? To start trouble? What you've done is mark yourself as someone who supports a breeder that doesn't support the industry, and basically black-balled yourself on here. Congratulations. Please don't complain when you are unable to recoup some of your investment because Joe turns around and undercuts you.

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While I don't completely agree with the attitude behind Jessie's original post...I do somewhat understand her defensiveness. And she is not "blackballed" around here! I personally don't support the business practices of MKR, but everyone is free to make their own choices. And you, of course, are free to never buy a snake from Jessie, or never even speak to her again here, if you wish. But you can't speak for everyone else by calling her "blackballed."

So if I came on here and said "bite me" unprovoked, in a new thread, you'd be totally cool calling that user a positive part of this community? Judy, come on....

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36477&page=3&pp=10



Finally got to read what I assume was her original thread about this experience.

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but her original thread above was going great, everyone was getting along, lots of laughs, everyone was joking and having a good time. Right up until the point where she was asked "Who is the breeder you are buying from?".

She did not even have to name MKR and the mood changed, posts began to take a different turn, she politely asked the thread be closed and the posts continued.

Am I reading this wrong or is there something else to the story line?

everyone will express their own opinions on forums. ethics and morals will help to form those opinions, at least mine do.


when people disagree, things can get heated and personal

when money is involved, it can get nasty.

people are free to do whatever, when a majority of participating members don't have the same view, things will get heated on this forum.

mkr has their own forum where people that support them and their values and ethics can go and "agree"

in a way when you support a breeder you are agreeing to their way of business and ethics and values, imo.

there are many different forums on all kinds of topics on the interenet, not just reptiles. i find it more fun and peaceful to participate in forums where i share common ground and beliefs with the majority.


vaughn

the mood didn't change. we were joking around before hand and we continued after. it wasn't until she posted for us to "piss off" (in her now 'usual' fashion) that there was even a negative post in the thread.

how often do people go off on a tangent on this site? uh every 5 posts perhaps LOL - that's all we were doing was joking around... she got defensive for her own reasons. i asked her (and i quote)

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jessie,

if you feel good about your purchase then why are you getting so upset? if i believe in what i'm doing... i'm right there, sharing my opinions and explaining my motives.

i'd love to hear yours
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in light,
Aleesha

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I am posting a thread about this. The answer to your question Goddess is to long so look for the new thread.

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hence... this thread emerged.

and i don't find anything polite about telling people to piss off. if my kids said that to me, they'd be grounded... in our home it's as bad as saying any other "adult words" which are censored on this site.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

So if I came on here and said "bite me" unprovoked, in a new thread, you'd be totally cool calling that user a positive part of this community? Judy, come on....

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First off, that's not even close to why you called her "blackballed." Second off, I think it's a very poor way for her to express herself and I said so. Third off, everyone has "off" days and sometimes come across on the forums as less than stellar...that's no reason to suddenly decide they are worthless to the community. As I said...you're certainly entitled to your personal opinion about her or any other member...but you can't speak for the whole community by saying any given person is or is not welcomed here.

All that said, I'd also like to address something Vaughn said:

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people are free to do whatever, when a majority of participating members don't have the same view, things will get heated on this forum.

mkr has their own forum where people that support them and their values and ethics can go and "agree"

in a way when you support a breeder you are agreeing to their way of business and ethics and values, imo.

there are many different forums on all kinds of topics on the interenet, not just reptiles. i find it more fun and peaceful to participate in forums where i share common ground and beliefs with the majority.

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This reminds me a lot of the whole RTB.net conflict. If someone is so passionate against live feeding that they can't stand the thought of fellow forum members doing so...then they may not be so happy at BP.net and RTB is the place for them.

If any of our members are so passionate about MKR that they can't tolerate the fact that most of their fellow members of BP.net will steadfastly stand against their business practices....then maybe they should rethink which forums they want to invest their time and emotional energies on. This is not to say that ANYbody is unwelcomed here...because that is not the case at all. I would be deeply saddened to see ANY of our members feeling as if they should leave. But if you're not comfortable with the stance of the majority... :confuzd:

kinda like... if i hate heat and sand i shouldn't move to las vegas ;)

unless of course i want to live inside the mall and shop constantly and be driven back to my penthouse suite with airconditioning! (and chocolate covered oreos!!!)

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kinda like... if i hate heat and sand i shouldn't move to las vegas ;)

unless of course i want to live inside the mall

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Ahh yes my wife's home away from home (work and play).;)

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All that said, I'd also like to address something Vaughn said:



This reminds me a lot of the whole RTB.net conflict. If someone is so passionate against live feeding that they can't stand the thought of fellow forum members doing so...then they may not be so happy at BP.net and RTB is the place for them.

If any of our members are so passionate about MKR that they can't tolerate the fact that most of their fellow members of BP.net will steadfastly stand against their business practices....then maybe they should rethink which forums they want to invest their time and emotional energies on. This is not to say that ANYbody is unwelcomed here...because that is not the case at all. I would be deeply saddened to see ANY of our members feeling as if they should leave. But if you're not comfortable with the stance of the majority... :confuzd:

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Exactly right! If you feel that strongly about MKR, their forum is probably a welcome place to be. I'm not going to bring MKR up in every thread that she posts from now on, but, I will be completely honest and say that I think anyone that buys from MKR after hearing and seeing what they are doing to the market isn't someone I want to have anything to do with. Getting a bargain basement price is great but in the end, it isn't the only thing. Quality animals from breeders that want to support you and your future are where its at. If you (and by you I mean the short list of people who don't appear to have the capability or desire to consider the facts and who continue to support sleaze) put saving a few bucks at the top of your list of priorities as a breeder, then you are doomed to fail. For those of you that consider this post harsh, sorry you are offended. I have very strong feelings about the situation as do most of the other people on this forum that are disgusted by MKR and their lack of ethics.

Well I can assure you saving a few bucks isn't the top priority of mine. I am mesmerized everytime I see one of their morphs and I beleive they have good quality animals along with great customer service...

Have a good day

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Well I can assure you saving a few bucks isn't the top priority of mine. I am mesmerized everytime I see one of their morphs and I beleive they have good quality animals along with great customer service...

Have a good day

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I am sure that is what it is, because they are the only ones selling "nice looking" morphs... :rockon: