bunch of general hognose questions before purchasing!

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Amazing how people who get lucky with 1 or 3 snakes, they have owned for a very limited amount of time can now also give advice (that are not based on experience) and act like they know everything even giving advice on other species they never owned :rolleyes:.

Good luck with that from now own I'll just post pictures since experience means nothing, I'll live it to the expert......works for me. (no wonder no knowledgeable breeder wants to post here anymore)

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Wow. That’s it huh? When it comes to snakes, I just disagree with the whole “it must be a small enclosure thing.” That’s all. This is a forum for sharing, discussion and opinions.

I will just shut up then.


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can you guys please stop. youre making my anxiety sky rocket. i realize that yes i was the one who asked for help but i dont want fighting, please.


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Breathe deep, let other people have their opinions, and stick with Deborah’s advice. She’s bred and raised a *lot* of babies.


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anyways, ill try the 6q out again using tape. i just extremely uneven heating because the bottom isnt smooth.


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Originally Posted by baldegale

can you guys please stop. youre making my anxiety sky rocket. i realize that yes i was the one who asked for help but i dont want fighting, please.


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If you need some help feel free to PM me. I have only three snakes currently but I have owned more varied species than I can count and can help you at least keep calm if something is stressing you :D

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Originally Posted by SDA

If you need some help feel free to PM me. I have only three snakes currently but I have owned more varied species than I can count and can help you at least keep calm if something is stressing you :D

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thank you for the offer, i just don’t understand why people decide to get hostile over simple opinions. ill still probably take you up on that offer simply because sometimes theres more urgent things that i cant wait 3-4 hours for someone to answer yanno?


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It's not personal. We had recently a very confrontational user that caused a lot of people on edge and taxed our moderators. Sorry it's bleeding into your thread but this is not typical of this forum so please don't get discouraged, this is still the best place for help ;D

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Originally Posted by baldegale

thank you for the offer, i just don’t understand why people decide to get hostile over simple opinions. ill still probably take you up on that offer simply because sometimes theres more urgent things that i cant wait 3-4 hours for someone to answer yanno?


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i hope you feel better! that's the risk of open forum, but this is also how we learn and confront new ideas. i'm available for PM too if you need, but SDA has shown to be a great member here.

and yes, trust in Deborah. [emoji4]

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Originally Posted by baldegale

sometimes theres more urgent things that i cant wait 3-4 hours for someone to answer yanno?

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Keep in mind:
1- we are a world wide site
2- many have real jobs to be at during the day
3- many MANY members here are breeders and have already dealt with many of the things you will over complicate and worry about.
4- many other members here have little to no experience but are good at regurgitating stuff they read or were told
5- what works in my house may not work in yours but you wont ever know if you dont listen to what you read.
6- and last..... Nothing here is personal and many dont care how you will feel about the answer to your question. Your animals health is always the first concern.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

I’m curious, why is this too big? They aren’t stuck in super tiny tubs naturally. What is wrong with it?


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I was just literally asking questions... like the above, Deborah you are clearly experienced, so I asked you a direct question. I am sorry if this is not allowed. It seemed to me the OPs enclosure looked adequate. It seems I was wrong, but nobody clarified yet as to why the size is not good.

I am aware I am not experienced with hognose, so I am asking a question just like the OP.
also, “very limited experience with 1-3 snakes” is not accurate. It is fully accurate that I don’t have any breeding experience, and I haven’t kept 500 snakes for 39 years.
i have been keeping ball pythons for over 2 years, and I have had a total of 8 different snakes at different times, as I bought a whole collection from a hobbyist and sold most of them off.
that makes me a neophyte I suppose, but that is why I have been asking questions and researching since 2016, mostly right here in the forum,

just today, I started two threads asking questions to more experienced members to answer, which they did.
I have never claimed to “know it all.” Not even close.

anyway, I will refrain giving any advice about hognose, as it is not my experience.

...though I would still like to now why the OPs enclosure is too big.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

...though I would still like to now why the OPs enclosure is too big.

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this is how she explained it to me earlier on in the thread: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4c016ab7f5.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...95d71bb261.jpg (for size comparison my hoggie is going to be 10g on arrival) https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...06ac466c20.jpg thats how she explained it to me! im a newbie so like pit said, i just regurgitate what everyone else tells me until i experience it myself.


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Just to throw this in there.....
All of my ball python hatchlings start their lives in a THREE quart tub. Same floor space as a 6 buy half the height.
Those that know a ball hatches in the 50+ gram area give or take.
Think about this before you start recommending 10 and 20+ gallon tanks for a 10 to 20 gram animal.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

I’m curious, why is this too big? They aren’t stuck in super tiny tubs naturally. What is wrong with it?

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Originally Posted by Godzilla78

Not with proper hides. You can create small spaces inside large spaces, just like tubs are small places in large rooms, hides are small spaces in enclosures. It’s not complicated.

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I only asked your logic. It makes no sense to me, but perhaps you can explain it. I don't accept opinions at face value, with no reasoning behind it. I have no experience, but experience doesn't equal infallibility.

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...though I would still like to now why the OPs enclosure is too big.

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They're a largely fossorial species - them rostrals ain't just for show. They'll come to the surface for various reasons but when seeking shelter, these critters simply dig down. Adding more clutter doesn't really do anything for hognose snakes if you already have a proper substrate. While it might add a bit of stimulation, it's doing next to nothing for their sense of security. Feeling secure in their surroundings is what you should be aiming for with a new animal to get them on the right track. When someone inexperienced is asking for advice, keeping it simple is often the best policy. Once they have a little hands on experience, then they might want to experiment a bit on their own. As for the "bigger is always better" argument, I hear from panicking owners all the time that can't find their little wiggler in a huge enclosure. While the snake might be perfectly fine, the stress of the owner is going to affect their care. If they never see the snake, they can't rightly know how well it's doing. If they're always digging around looking for that needle in a haystack, the snake is going to constantly be disturbed. Even people who advocate massive, naturalistic setups often start smaller animals in much more cramped and simplistic setups until they're better established.

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Originally Posted by John1982

They're a largely fossorial species - them rostrals ain't just for show. They'll come to the surface for various reasons but when seeking shelter, these critters simply dig down. Adding more clutter doesn't really do anything for hognose snakes if you already have a proper substrate. While it might add a bit of stimulation, it's doing next to nothing for their sense of security. Feeling secure in their surroundings is what you should be aiming for with a new animal to get them on the right track. When someone inexperienced is asking for advice, keeping it simple is often the best policy. Once they have a little hands on experience, then they might want to experiment a bit on their own. As for the "bigger is always better" argument, I hear from panicking owners all the time that can't find their little wiggler in a huge enclosure. While the snake might be perfectly fine, the stress of the owner is going to affect their care. If they never see the snake, they can't rightly know how well it's doing. If they're always digging around looking for that needle in a haystack, the snake is going to constantly be disturbed. Even people who advocate massive, naturalistic setups often start smaller animals in much more cramped and simplistic setups until they're better established.

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Thank you John, that’s a huge amount of logic, that I can understand.