Roe progression thread!

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Originally Posted by GpBp

Ok, a lot here! So, the mice are 10-11 grams! Woahhh they are hoppers! I ordered fuzzys I swear! Sorry for arguing, I should've weighed them! Should I keep feeding her them? If your 80g boas will take them, should Roe be able to? Again, there was no big bulge on her.



I was so worried! I've checked temps all twice a day now, and thankfully its stayed 87°F-88°F on the UTH. Everything is duct taped now, hopefully no more loose probes! I'm glad your snakes was okay :)



As for temps, I got that all down. Idek why I thought those low 70's temps were OK! But yes, her temps now are:
Hot side: 90°F
Ambient: about 84°F
Cool side: 81°F

She's all good now, sleeping in her hot hide as we speak :)




So, here's what I do for my balls:
Geno: All light go out
May: White light goes out, low blue light comes on

It only drops their temps 3°F-4°F.

But for Roe, I think I have to keep something on! For example, last night when I put in the blue bulb, there was a burning smell. I immediately unplugged it! I let it sit, but I was so tired. I got back at like 3:00 am, and was exhausted! So I just turned her dimmer down so there was heat, but low. Only to find this morning, her temp had dropped into the low 70's! I need the blue night. (Her temps are back to normal this morning)




I hope this answers some questions!

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I would go with CHE. Separate heat from light.

Didn’t know the low red light would bother them. Thanks Cloudtheboa.

If if you want light during the day, either use room light or get a small flourescent bulb/strip.

Dark at night is good.

I would get smaller mice.

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Originally Posted by GpBp

Ok, a lot here! So, the mice are 10-11 grams! Woahhh they are hoppers! I ordered fuzzys I swear! Sorry for arguing, I should've weighed them! Should I keep feeding her them? If your 80g boas will take them, should Roe be able to? Again, there was no big bulge on her.



I was so worried! I've checked temps all twice a day now, and thankfully its stayed 87°F-88°F on the UTH. Everything is duct taped now, hopefully no more loose probes! I'm glad your snakes was okay :)



As for temps, I got that all down. Idek why I thought those low 70's temps were OK! But yes, her temps now are:
Hot side: 90°F
Ambient: about 84°F
Cool side: 81°F

She's all good now, sleeping in her hot hide as we speak :)




So, here's what I do for my balls:
Geno: All light go out
May: White light goes out, low blue light comes on

It only drops their temps 3°F-4°F.

But for Roe, I think I have to keep something on! For example, last night when I put in the blue bulb, there was a burning smell. I immediately unplugged it! I let it sit, but I was so tired. I got back at like 3:00 am, and was exhausted! So I just turned her dimmer down so there was heat, but low. Only to find this morning, her temp had dropped into the low 70's! I need the blue night. (Her temps are back to normal this morning)




I hope this answers some questions!

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I might go with slightly smaller hoppers for awhile if you can, or move the hoppers to 14 days vs 7, if she's grown a total of 23 grams since you got her in December or November, she's likely grown a noticeable amount since the feeding photos you posted. With bigger meals, you want to space them out a little more until they grow into them.

Switch to a CHE, it produces no visible light. You will need a ceramic base lamp, though. It is also ok if the temps drop at night to the low 70's, just make sure day temps are nice and high, and I might offer extra heat the 48-72 hours after eating, but other than that it's ok if it dips down for a few hours during the nighttime. I let my cages naturally drop at night, but I don't purposefully drop them myself as they can already drop a good 5 degrees on their own.

Her temps have been staying great, and last night I turned off light and left dimmer on. I looked for a CHE but my local PetSmart doesn't carry them. I'll have to order online, but until then i'll just turn light off :)

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Originally Posted by GpBp

Her temps have been staying great, and last night I turned off light and left dimmer on. I looked for a CHE but my local PetSmart doesn't carry them. I'll have to order online, but until then i'll just turn light off :)

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Sounds good. Just make sure you get the same wattage you have now, or know you will have to adjust.

Glad temps are settling in nicely.

Roe must be very happy.

Everything still good with Roe? Temps staying consistent?

Just checking in and hoping all is well!

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Originally Posted by dakski

Everything still good with Roe? Temps staying consistent?

Just checking in and hoping all is well!

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Thank you!
Yes, its doing well :) I have lights turned out again tonight, but I have not forgot about CHE. Waiting for Friday-Payday [emoji6]

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Way too technical lol. Like i said, i just throw everything into a bucket of warm/hot water and change it every hour. Usually takes about 3 hours for the big stuff to thaw. Then i rinse it off under warm water, pat dry it and hang it in front of the snakes. Half the time, i barely get it in the cages before i get a mouthful of teeth flying at me lol.

Sorry for the late reply, just thought I'd say...



:fest:ROE ATE!!!!:fest2:


Super happy! This was last Thursday :) I thawed by setting mice out an hour prior just on the shelf, then heating with a hair dryer :) Hurray Roe!!!

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sorry for the late reply, just thought i'd say...



:fest:roe ate!!!!:fest2:


Super happy! This was last thursday :) i thawed by setting mice out an hour prior just on the shelf, then heating with a hair dryer :) hurray roe!!!

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congrats!!!!! Way to go, lil' roe!

Hey! Sorry this thread is so long, but I wanted to share that she's been eating amazingly :) Everything has been growing great with her! She is now 98g, which is awesome! Still tiinnnyyy lol, but it's good to know she's growing :) Got her at only 61g! I got a question (obviously haha), my friends' leopard gecko got a tank upgrade, and she wanted to know if I wanted the old 20 gallon long! I said sure, and I'm wondering if it'd be okay to put Roe in there for a while? Again,
T E M P O R A R Y! I'm actually worried she might be too small for it. She's (roughly) only a little over a foot, so I'm worried the big 20gal long may be a bit too big? I've heard people say two things:
"No tank is too big if you provide enough hiding spots and coverage!"
"Some tanks are just too big, and stress the snake out."
Though, nature has no limits! I'm sure I'd be able to provide enough coverage so I think it'd be okay? I want to hear your opinions though. Ha, the only problem is finding room for it :rofl:


Anyways, thanks for reading!
and sorry the thread is so long 0-0

If your snake just started eating regularly, the worst thing you can do is change the cage right now. If the snake can fully stretch out in the old cage, then you are plenty good. Personally i would just save up cash and order a an Animal Plastics T10 with a shelf, lock and LED and call it good for the next 4 years or so. Then upgrade it to a T25.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

If your snake just started eating regularly, the worst thing you can do is change the cage right now. If the snake can fully stretch out in the old cage, then you are plenty good. Personally i would just save up cash and order a an Animal Plastics T10 with a shelf, lock and LED and call it good for the next 4 years or so. Then upgrade it to a T25.

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Mm ok that makes perfect sence, I should of thought about that!! Thanks Sauzo! I have some saving set aside already for her tank :)

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Yay! Glad to hear she ate!

As Sauzo mentioned, I would not change enclosures with her just now starting to eat. Once she settles in, and eats for a few months, then I might consider giving her an upgrade.

A 20 gallon isn't very big, even for such a small boa. 20 gallons is the smallest tank size I normally see advised for baby boas, and they will outgrow it quickly.

Big, open enclosures will stress them out, but offer plenty of cover and clutter, and you can put them in as big of an enclosure as you wish. You may just have a hard time finding the snake, and then having to clean out the enclosure may be more of a pain. lol

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Originally Posted by GpBp

Mm ok that makes perfect sence, I should of thought about that!! Thanks Sauzo! I have some saving set aside already for her tank :)

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Do yourself and favor and put aside more savings and just upgrade to a PVC cage when the time comes. Something like an Animal Plastics T10. That will last your boa years and they are cheaper than a comparable sized glass tank.

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Eating great still! Will skip offering this Thusday due to shed

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Update

Roe shed yesterday morning all in one piece :) She's been doing great and looks beautiful! Husbandry:

88°F Hot Side
82°F-83°F Ambient
81°F Cool Side

I'll try to snap some pictures of her tonight :)

:) :) :) :) Roe took it quick! :) :) :) :)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7a29211f84.jpg

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Really glad she’s eating well now


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All is still well with this pretty girl :D shes growing like a weed! She's had all perfect sheds, and as of 5-24 she's 124g. I just love having her!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6ddcdae734.jpg


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Roe shed yesterday, all in one piece! Weighing in a 137g, she's doing awesome <3

Happy birthday to you
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Happy birthday dear Rojo
Happy birthday to you!

Baby Roe is one year old today! Roughly 2ft long and 162g :) She got fed a day early and we quietly sang happy bday to her [emoji38] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2060add6d6.jpg


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Just had Roe out for a sec tonight. My fault, when I went to pick her up I got her from behind and she turned around and tagged me :rofl:Barley broke skin, she thinks she's so tough. Just scarred her, I apologized and turned her light off :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by GpBp

Just had Roe out for a sec tonight. My fault, when I went to pick her up I got her from behind and she turned around and tagged me :rofl:Barley broke skin, she thinks she's so tough. Just scarred her, I apologized and turned her light off :rolleyes:

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Oh, GpBp, welcome to the bite club! Behira got me at 3X that size. Still a little baby though.

Yeah, at 150g or so, it's not a big deal.

A couple quick thoughts, as she will get much, much, bigger than that.

1. I feed at night with the lights off in the tank and mostly in the room. Just enough light so I can see what I am doing. I never handle any of my snakes, certainly hand first (as opposed to hook, etc), at night. They are in hunt mode, or, at the very least, not expecting me to be in there getting them.

2. If you really just scared her and she tagged you, again, no big deal now. However, start hook training. This will avoid scared bites as well as food response bites. I, or others here, can describe hook training pretty well if you need.

Again, don't handle under feeding circumstances and hook train to avoid feeding or scared bites!

Good luck and sorry you got tagged, but glad Roe is so small.

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Originally Posted by dakski

Oh, GpBp, welcome to the bite club! Behira got me at 3X that size. Still a little baby though.

Yeah, at 150g or so, it's not a big deal.

A couple quick thoughts, as she will get much, much, bigger than that.

1. I feed at night with the lights off in the tank and mostly in the room. Just enough light so I can see what I am doing. I never handle any of my snakes, certainly hand first (as opposed to hook, etc), at night. They are in hunt mode, or, at the very least, not expecting me to be in there getting them.

2. If you really just scared her and she tagged you, again, no big deal now. However, start hook training. This will avoid scared bites as well as food response bites. I, or others here, can describe hook training pretty well if you need.

Again, don't handle under feeding circumstances and hook train to avoid feeding or scared bites!

Good luck and sorry you got tagged, but glad Roe is so small.

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Haha, proud to be a member!
I don't handle them at all on Thursday (feeding day), and then of course two days after. I'll remember that!
Do you think you could describe hook training a little bit more in depth? I've heard and read a little bit about it, but I don't know that much. I definitely agree I should get on that! She's not too young to start that, is she?
Thanks again :) I almost feel guilty now. Forgive me Roe! :laughing: And yeah, Roe is still so small. 168g as of last week!

Buy a snake hook. Introduce the hook to Roe so he can smell it, go slow. After he smells it, lightly rub his side with it and then his neck... by now they should be out of "feeding mode" and back to "retreat mode". At this time you can grab him if you are taking him out or you can put your hand in the enclosure to change water, etc.

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Originally Posted by GpBp

Haha, proud to be a member!
I don't handle them at all on Thursday (feeding day), and then of course two days after. I'll remember that!
Do you think you could describe hook training a little bit more in depth? I've heard and read a little bit about it, but I don't know that much. I definitely agree I should get on that! She's not too young to start that, is she?
Thanks again :) I almost feel guilty now. Forgive me Roe! :laughing: And yeah, Roe is still so small. 168g as of last week!

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I have a 3ft snake hook with a soft handle, but that's for Behira at 7FT too. You can get a big one for life, or get an 18-24 inch one for now.

I got a soft handle, because that's actually what I rub Behira with, not the hook.

Basically, when I open her tank, I show her the hook handle and run her sides a few times. Initially, she tenses up, but then relaxes and now realizes that means no food, and I am going to pick her up.

Sometimes, if still somewhat tense, I show her the handle again and let her smell and taste it again. Then one or two more strokes and she's calm as can be.

I read her body language though. Sometimes, 1-2 rubs and she's good to go, other times a few more.

I never pick her up with the hook, however, I will sometimes put the hook between her head and my hand if I am having trouble reading her body language. I always pick her up with my hand after she's nice and calm.