So this happened

I find that my retics digest food at the same rate nearly regardless of size whether a jumbo rat or 4xl guinea pig. Give him the biggest rat you have and see if it lasts any longer than the previous meal. I agree, 5lb rabbit is probably overkill but if you offered it he’d probably give it a try. I’d hold off though.
And yeah, don’t you just love cleaning piss every single day?! Just fully cleaned out Gerald’s cage earlier and he peed all over it within a few hours...


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I find that my retics digest food at the same rate nearly regardless of size whether a jumbo rat or 4xl guinea pig. Give him the biggest rat you have and see if it lasts any longer than the previous meal. I agree, 5lb rabbit is probably overkill but if you offered it he’d probably give it a try. I’d hold off though.
And yeah, don’t you just love cleaning piss every single day?! Just fully cleaned out Gerald’s cage earlier and he peed all over it within a few hours...


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It smells so bad too. But yeah it gets old. If I didn’t absolutely love snakes it probably would’ve turned me off of the hobby by now. I’m just glad he hasn’t gotten me yet, or gone outside of his enclosure for that matter. Do you have any idea what a comparable rabbit size would be to a 1lb rat? I know rabbits are more dense so they weigh more at the same size. I was thinking a 2lb might be alright. I’m also thinking about getting a few more rats and quail so I can give him some variety.

Judging from the pics you’ve posted he can take a 2lb rabbit no problem. They can easily eat something 1.5x the width of their body but they don’t need to all the time. He’s a nice looking critter btw


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Judging from the pics you’ve posted he can take a 2lb rabbit no problem. They can easily eat something 1.5x the width of their body but they don’t need to all the time. He’s a nice looking critter btw


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That’s what I was thinking, I figure I’ll get him a few different prey items in a variety of sizes and try to keep him on as moderate of a diet as possible. And thanks! I don’t think there is a retic morph that I don’t like, but there is something about purples that I just love. I want to get some quality pictures of him outdoors but with the heat and the terrible air quality up here in Northern CA i haven’t been able to.

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That’s what I was thinking, I figure I’ll get him a few different prey items in a variety of sizes and try to keep him on as moderate of a diet as possible. And thanks! I don’t think there is a retic morph that I don’t like, but there is something about purples that I just love. I want to get some quality pictures of him outdoors but with the heat and the terrible air quality up here in Northern CA i haven’t been able to.

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Yeah he can definitely eat much bigger prey than you’d think. Gerald ate a jumbo and mammoth rat the other night, probably 2.5-3lbs of rats total and had passed all of it in 6 days. They’re insatiable.
I’ll never forget the first time I saw purple albino retics. Simply blew my mind that a reptile could have that color palette. That opinion was only more solidified when I saw a purple hatchling in my buddy’s shop so many years ago. Jaw dropping to say the least


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Yeah he can definitely eat much bigger prey than you’d think. Gerald ate a jumbo and mammoth rat the other night, probably 2.5-3lbs of rats total and had passed all of it in 6 days. They’re insatiable.
I’ll never forget the first time I saw purple albino retics. Simply blew my mind that a reptile could have that color palette. That opinion was only more solidified when I saw a purple hatchling in my buddy’s shop so many years ago. Jaw dropping to say the least


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I love the purples also. So amazing to see for sure. I was hoping Rainbow would stay on a 2-3 week cycle once transferred to Guinea pigs. She eat one Thursday and emptied out Sunday. She will eat rabbits but they are not what she prefers. Chickens are her favorite but they only last a day. I think she is having a growth spurt. She thickened up and put on some weight but I think she is getting ready to put on a foot or two. LOL. These guys are amazing when it comes to efficacy of digestion and becoming larger predators. Eat, poop and pee, get larger, eat more and larger..... seams to be a never ending process. Just happy she is so easy to handle. My favorite species for sure.

Sonny has become my problem child. It has turned into daily routine to come home after my 12 hour graveyard shifts to have to do a complete scrubdown of his enclosure. I gave him two XXL rats a few days ago to help with the racket he’s been making, along with the fact he’s started to bang his face up pretty good. Anyways sure enough two days later it looks like he never ate, and day 5 now? He’s on the prowl again. But that’s the easier part to deal with. Last night (only a few, maybe 3? )Days since our last cage scrubdown I hear a super loud fart. I legit thought my SO was playing a recording or something to prank me. The sound alone was ungodly. So I go to check his enclosure which had looked completely fresh only a bit before, and see that he is starting to pee. It was only a small spot, so I left it figuring he’d poop by the time I got home from work, but instead I get home to a piss storm. Like a literal piss storm. Like he peed so much that it covered the entire floor of his enclosure, and then because of the amount of fluid and temperature it evaporated and got an the ceiling of his enclosure, and then rained down retic piss on every inch of his cage. Complete disaster.

then I got home only a few hours after all of this and scrubbing his boaphile, to find he has now tipped his “untippable water bowl and flooded his enclosure again, all in the search for more food, which was evident from his red/swollen snout.

And now I know he’s just plotting to smear poop everywhere. Gotta love him though.

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Sonny has become my problem child. It has turned into daily routine to come home after my 12 hour graveyard shifts to have to do a complete scrubdown of his enclosure. I gave him two XXL rats a few days ago to help with the racket he’s been making, along with the fact he’s started to bang his face up pretty good. Anyways sure enough two days later it looks like he never ate, and day 5 now? He’s on the prowl again. But that’s the easier part to deal with. Last night (only a few, maybe 3? )Days since our last cage scrubdown I hear a super loud fart. I legit thought my SO was playing a recording or something to prank me. The sound alone was ungodly. So I go to check his enclosure which had looked completely fresh only a bit before, and see that he is starting to pee. It was only a small spot, so I left it figuring he’d poop by the time I got home from work, but instead I get home to a piss storm. Like a literal piss storm. Like he peed so much that it covered the entire floor of his enclosure, and then because of the amount of fluid and temperature it evaporated and got an the ceiling of his enclosure, and then rained down retic piss on every inch of his cage. Complete disaster.

then I got home only a few hours after all of this and scrubbing his boaphile, to find he has now tipped his “untippable water bowl and flooded his enclosure again, all in the search for more food, which was evident from his red/swollen snout.

And now I know he’s just plotting to smear poop everywhere. Gotta love him though.

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Adolescence is fun, right? Gerald completely destroys his cage almost every night whether he’s hungry or not. Oh the joy of keeping retics


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yeah lol. I make it sound really negative lately but thats just the lack of sleep talking. I have a good time holding him for a bit after he's clean. Tonight i'm going to see if i can get him to stretch out on the floor and measure him without freaking him out. Wish me luck haha

Got Sonny out for some quality time and an attempt at a measurement! He was so calm the whole way through, I love this snake. I had to tape my phone to the ceiling capturing a video and take screenshots to try and get a good picture of his length in the frame. He also wouldn't straighten ou completely, so i used Serpwidgets.com to get a guestimate. Serpwidgets had him at 7 ft 11 inches, but i don't think its 100% accurate and based off of seeing him and how he can stretch in person id say theres at least 3 inches on top of that. The tape measure was pulled out to 8'10
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Sonny has been pushing pretty heavily and were at 10 or 11 days since his last feeding. Poor guy is starting to look like rudolph. He's got a meal thawing as we speak, and i just had him out to scrub his enclosure and give him a bit of exercise.

here is his new tub to hang out in while im cleaning his enclosure, its 28"x17" to get an idea of his size in there.
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And here's his face
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Sonny has been pushing pretty heavily and were at 10 or 11 days since his last feeding.

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Yeah dunno what day I thought it was just now but that should read 16 - 17 days since his last feeding. We've gone a lot longer than previously when spacing out his meals which i'm happy about. He only started banging his face up the last two nights

Okay so i fed Sonny a few hours ago and just peeked at him and at first i was surprised because it appeared as though the redness and swelling on his snout had gone down some, and then was even more surprised to see what look like two large abscesses in his mouth. Im going to post pictures here shortly and schedule a vet visit for as soon as possible. Thoughts once the pictures are up would be greatly appreciated

here it is
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That doesn’t look bad honestly. Feed him heavier and push him through a shed cycle and it will likely look like it never happened. At this point I’d nearly kill to have Phyllis’s face look that good. I don’t know how other folks get their retics to go more than 10 days without food without getting bad push face. Gerald never went past 8-10 days at the very most and Phyllis had always been a weekly feeder until this recent nonsense with her face


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That honestly makes me feel a whole lot better. You think i should swab him a bit with a Betadine solution just incase? I went full panic mode when i saw it the first thing that came to mind is what you're going through with phyllis. He's behaving normally, he drank some water after he ate and coiled under the heat panel, and got really excited thinking he'd get a second rat when i opened his enclosure to flip the light on.

Nice looking retic. Hope he chills out with the pushing for you.

I'd just feed him and make him sit still. Pushing that hard is him trying to tell you he's hungry in most cases. Or that something else about his husbandry is bothering him. If temps and humidity are good then feed him and make him be quiet. No reason in my opinion to try for a two week+ feeding interval unless you're trying to keep him smaller or get him to lose weight, and he looks perfectly healthy. Retics are very proactive about telling you when they want to eat.

Well i've got him an appointment at the vet just to be safe, the earliest they had is Tuesday so ill watch him closely until then and hope it begins to clear up. My guess is he must've broken a tooth because the inside of his mouth wasn't swollen at all until after he ate, so maybe that rat caused it to poke his gums. So far it seems like its a little bit more enlarged than the last picture i posted.

That doesn't look bad at all, sometimes the gums get inflamed from the pushing but of course, never a bad thing to get it checked out by the vet.
Usually trying to fix the issue (sounds like just hungry in this instance) along with some neo (non pain killing kind) applied to the gums for a few days and a shed will have it back to normal.
best wishes, hope it goes down soon

Update: The swelling in his mouth has gone down significantly. Not 100% back to normal but definitely a whole lot better. Looks like it will surely clear up on its own in the next day or two. Thanks a ton Jmcrook and AbsoluteApril for the input, much appreciated.

So Sonny-boy is looking better, he started the shed process a day or two after his last meal and his blue cleared up yesterday so he’ll be in his fresh paintjob sometime this week. His face looks fine, his mouth looks 90% better. Also a new box with $200 worth of rats and rabbits will be on my doorstep no later than Saturday, all for him. I’m also debating just building him an 8’x3’x19” melamine enclosure to last him until I’m ready to throw and extra grand at an AP for him.

Welp Sonny shed sometime last night and woke me up by banging around in his cage and shaking the whole tower. I got him out and cleaned his enclosure but his mouth is a bit swollen again. I’m gunna go pick up a rat to hold him over, my shipment will be here Thursday but I don’t want to try and make him wait that long. I want his face to look normal again.
heres what it looks like now:
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Cleaning day and feeding day for Sonny! I love this snake, he's got such a laid-back personality. I grabbed a few pictures of him during cleaning and after about 20 minutes of handling. Had to keep it short today but he's got a rat thawing so he'll be content. Also snagged him a new bowl from tractor supply, it holds more water and takes up less space than the make-shift one i had before. I also want to try and get an accurate weight on him soon, all i know is when he goes dead weight when i try and pull him out one handed he's heavy as sh*t, haha.
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I've started picking up all of the materials for Sonnys new cage, the only thing i'm waiting on is having enough free time to sit down and build it. It's going to be 6x3x 19 in tall i believe is what i had worked out. As of right now it looks like ill have the weekend two weeks out to get it built. I also still need to order a RHP for it which ill probably order this week.

Just got home from work and the snakes have decided to destroy their enclosures. Sonny is the only one that soaked everything though. Took one look at him and saw that he was bashing his face up while I was at work, so it's feeding day. Ive got his food thawing as we speak. He also had a tooth sticking out, which we got out with ease. I opened up his cage and propped him with his head out, and he let me rest his head on one hand while i grabbed the tooth via tweezers with the other. I didn't think it'd be so easy. His cage is scrubbed now and we're just waiting to feed so I can finally go to sleep.
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Even with all the work this guy is, Im so glad I picked him up last year.

That poor boa. Noisy upstairs neighbor! I had one of those back in grad school. :D


Sonny is absolutely gorgeous!

Yeah she’s always following me when it’s time to feed sonny, poor girl haha.

Finally have a day off so I went to pull Sonny out for some quality enrichment time. I put him back pretty quick though, as he has massive sausage butt going on and without a doubt is going to make a HUGE mess tonight, and I’d much rather it stays in his enclosure. Hopefully he’s voided tonight so I can get him out for cleaning and pictures/enrichment tomorrow.

Sure enough Sonny exploded early this morning. I gave him a nice soak while I scrubbed his enclosure down, and he even hung out in his tub while I petted/rinsed him down. Super cool experience, it's amazing how calm and trusting he is. So after about 30 minutes of scrubbing his enclosure and getting it set up again, and then a bit of handling he decided to try and squeeze into his water bowl, flooding his enclosure. Sooo I changed it out again and decided what the heck and kept him out with me a bit longer. I also cant really get pictures during handling without a second person anymore, he's just too big now. He's prowling his cage at the moment, and i'm really hoping he just settles in and doesnt start pushing. Last feeding which was only 4 days ago he got a 2XL rat AND his 1st 1lb rabbit. It left a pretty good lump, but here we are. He's pretty much a stomach with eyes and sharp teeth.

Heres the sh!t storm:
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And some post cleaning shots, flooding the water included:
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That is a great looking retic right there!!

Can't argue that, awsome.

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Sonny is overdue for a new cage, and with the fact that I have a ton on my plate financially I decided to build him an enclosure, and save almost have the money Id spend on a similar sized AP. The whole idea behind the build is cheap and functional. This won’t be a forever home, but hopefully will last him a couple of years. Also I would like to note that I have NEVER built anything, so it’s by no means going to be a masterpiece, and on top of that the only tools I have are a jigsaw and a cheap drill. I’m also not planning on posting a full thread on it because like I said I’ve never done anything like this and I’m not confident it’s worth going into extreme detail over. I will post picture updates on Sonny’s thread though. The general idea is 6x3x2, with a shelf, radiant heat panel, and sliding glass doors. I’ve got pond pro arriving tomorrow to start sealing the wood. All in all it should cost me about $400-$450, but I have enough wood left over to make a 4x2x1 also.
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Ive already run into some minor flaws(measurement errors, some on my part some on Lowe’s) but nothing that can’t be sanded or simply fixed. Hopefully sonny will be all set up in two weeks, that’s the goal anyway.

here he is with a fresh shed, though it’s the usual crap lighting so you can’t tell. He almost had a complete shed too.
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Comparison picture! First picture is a bit after I got Sonny, and at the time he had already shown significant growth. The second picture was yesterday, I’d say he’s grown a bit since!
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aaaand also a pic dump:
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Bob at pro products ended up having the RHP I needed on hand, and I should have it in 5-6 days. Looks like I should have the new enclosure finished before it gets here also, so he will have a new set up sooner than I had originally planned.

SherpaDesigns had a uselfull plywood build video. I don't know what species of snake "Houdini" is, but the size looks about 4'Wx2'Dx3'H. He built it to be furniture quality, and I love how he did the glass doors. White epoxy interior. I'll be using many of the specifics in his build when I make mine.

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SherpaDesigns had a uselfull plywood build video. I don't know what species of snake "Houdini" is, but the size looks about 4'Wx2'Dx3'H. He built it to be furniture quality, and I love how he did the glass doors. White epoxy interior. I'll be using many of the specifics in his build when I make mine.

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I’ll check it out, thanks!

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SherpaDesigns had a uselfull plywood build video. I don't know what species of snake "Houdini" is, but the size looks about 4'Wx2'Dx3'H. He built it to be furniture quality, and I love how he did the glass doors. White epoxy interior. I'll be using many of the specifics in his build when I make mine.

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Turns out this was one of the videos I was using for ideas haha. I’m using the black epoxy and a different general design but took a lot of aspects from his build.

Sonny pooped today and once I got his enclosure cleaned he started pushing. Gave home a XXL rat and he derped. This is the second feed in a row that he has grabbed the rat by its tail. It’s strange because usually he quickly inspects the rat and lunges for the body or just comes flying out after it, but the past two times he has approached it, opened his mouth and started to bite it, then almost immediately let’s go and decides to go after the tail instead. What a weirdo.
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excuse the water on the plexiglass, I usually have to dip the rats in warm water after they’ve thawed or he won’t touch them and I didn’t dry it all the way. Also this is just a while after I put new paper in, which he has already destroyed. He’ll be on reptichip in his new enclosure

So Sonny decided to be a huge pain in the a** yesterday. It had only been 3 days since feeding, and he had recently peed and started aggressively pushing. I think the pushing may be a combination of too small of an enclosure and looking for food. Anyway I walk by while getting ev rything together to clean his enclosure and he rushes the enclosure, so he’s definitely looking for food. I get him out, get his enclosure cleaned and new bedding down, and thaw him a 1lb rabbit, which is about the same size as the rats he gets now thinking maybe the change of prey will last him a couple more days. As I’m getting the rabbit out of the freezer I think it’s odd that he’s hunting but hasn’t taken his dump, usually his pushing is shortly after he defecates but whatever, I ignore it. Fast forward to later that day his rabbit is ready to go so I try and feed him; he is SUPER interested but for whatever reason doesn’t accept the scent of the rabbit so he won’t strike it. I decide to let it sit for a few minutes because that has worked in the past when he decided to be finicky. I come check 15 minutes later and he has sh*t EVERYWHERE. So now I’ve got to retrieve this damned rabbit, and move this ravenous 8.5 foot retic into his cleaning tub and the lean his boaphile again. On top of this he’s in the boaphile with the door that doesn’t help to shield his face at all. It takes a few minutes but once I get him out of food mode he’s pretty tame, take 2 on cleaning. Fast forward again he’s now in his newly scrubbed enclosure waiting on his food. I decided to thaw him the last of the xxl rats, and soaked it with the rabbit to scent the rabbit. I figure he can easily take both, and I don’t want to waste a rabbit. Again he’s super hungry, immediately on the rat, but won’t strike. After a minute or so I realize “silly me, he can’t see his tail because that’s all he attacks lately” so I turn the rat so the tail is visible to him and before I can react he’s latched onto the tail- right where the tongs are. He’s big enough to man handle (snake handle?) the tongs out of my hands at this point (admittedly it’s time for an upgrade) and as he’s ripping them away I can here and feel his teeth grinding against the metal. It sounded like it had to have damaged his teeth but he gave me a super short glimpse when he reset his jaw after he finished the rat. After he finished I got the rabbit, and he went ballistic striking the plexiglass before I could even open it. Got it open and he struck, coiled, and then deserted the rabbit. After 20 minutes of showing no more interest I snuck in and removed it and gave it to my blood. I haven’t seen any signs of broken teeth or facial damage, which I was really worried about with how hard he was striking the plexi and how he snatched the tongs. All in all an epic fail of a feeding day, and pretty frustrating all the way around. I will continue to monitor for damage but hopefully he’s okay. I managed to get one picture and I was concerned about the interior upper layer of teeth (on our left), but as of 12 hours later he seems to be doing fine.
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Aaaaand this is me holding him like the big baby he is. As frustrating as he can be sometimes he’s awesome. Usually I pull him out and he stretches and roams but I pulled him out still coiled and he hung out like this for quite some time.
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Good illustration of the breathing tube :)

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Wow you've made me want a purple albino... I'm new to retics with my baby sd... These purple albino are amazing...

Thanks! I always think, wow I need a normal or a platty tiger or a (insert morph here) but then talk myself out of it. This guy is so much work compared to all my other snakes, I don’t think it’d be fair to get another quite yet. There are so many cool ones though! And I’m going to try and get some outdoor pics of him soon before it gets too cold, he looks literally a million times better in natural light. In most of my pictures he looks dull yellow but in actuality he’s far far from it

Yeah I struggle with pics too, although he is a normal his green saddle edging is almost neon in person and the iridescence is very hard to capture.
I bought a light photo tent the other day so maybe some better pics to come.
Keep up the good work.

Purple is my favorite albino. Happy you are taking such great care of him. There is no such thing as an ugly retic. Got to love the big personalities to go with it. FOOD and FOOD. LOL. Well keep up the good work.

Welp good news is the RHP and remaining pieces for Sonny’s wnclosure came in today. Bad news is all my snakes are now in pillowcases in tubs with heat packs, as I live in California and had to evacuate from the Camp Fire. I guess we’ll see how this all plays out. Hopefully I don’t have to rehome them because my place burnt down

:cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: man, good luck.

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Welp good news is the RHP and remaining pieces for Sonny’s wnclosure came in today. Bad news is all my snakes are now in pillowcases in tubs with heat packs, as I live in California and had to evacuate from the Camp Fire. I guess we’ll see how this all plays out. Hopefully I don’t have to rehome them because my place burnt down

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Wishing you the best.

Praying for all our Cali brothers and sisters.

Ok, I have a question... what is the difference/is there a difference between “purple” and “lavender”? I don’t see colors the best, but I recently got a “lavender albino” retic (mainland, I wondered if you had gotten a sibling to mine, but you said yours is a super dwarf) and my “lavender albino” looks identical to your “purple albino”. Also, I thought lavender was another word for purple? Just curious. Thanks in advance.

-C.

Btw, there are a couple pictures of my retic “Fluffy” in my gallery.


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Ok, I have a question... what is the difference/is there a difference between “purple” and “lavender”? I don’t see colors the best, but I recently got a “lavender albino” retic (mainland, I wondered if you had gotten a sibling to mine, but you said yours is a super dwarf) and my “lavender albino” looks identical to your “purple albino”. Also, I thought lavender was another word for purple? Just curious. Thanks in advance.

-C.

Btw, there are a couple pictures of my retic “Fluffy” in my gallery.


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Lavender is het purple and het white expressed visually in the same animal. They can look very similar sometimes


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