Caesar progression thread.

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Originally Posted by Reinz

Sauzo, This is what works great for my snakes: I size my soaking bowls as if they are hides, maybe you did too, I can't tell. And I believe it makes my snakes feel more secure, plus they can easily see 170 degrees and another 90 degrees with a slight turn of the head. This way they always know what's going on which is a good defense or for ambush. They also use the bowls even after they have splashed all of the water out.

That's why I believe the bowls are dual purpose, soaking and as a pseudo-hide.

I also believe the round shape helps with feeling more secure than the RB hides.

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Lizzy on the bottom, Mack in the middle

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Like El-Ziggy said, where do you get those bowls from? And I'm guessing they come in different sizes all the up to a 7' boa?

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Originally Posted by ShaneSilva

I guess the 2 rat breeders I been buying from are both very generous with the weight of their rats. Some of the "smalls" I been feeding were over 100g

You do have nice set ups. I just upgraded a couple tubs today as well. Does Caesar not eat when he's in shed?

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He does but I tend to not feed in shed as it requires them to expend fluids to digest as well as needing fluid to help shed. I mean I will feed him if there is no one left to eat a leftover but between the 2 boas, I never have anything go to waste and with Caesar, it just adds a second layer of protection haha.

Ohhh I didn't know that. Makes sense just never thought about it. I've been feeding even during shed. Haven't had any issues shedding but that's good to know. I don't see how anyone could waste any food with boas and retics lol

Let me guess Reinz, Tractor Supply Company?? I just looked there and found a camo bowl that looks almost exactly like the one you got and that black one looks like the 11" x 11" x 4" deep rubber bowl? Am I right?

And if I'm right, will they work for a 7' boa?

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

I'm digging your setup too Reinz! Are those 6ft enclosures? Where did you find the larger water bowls and are they spill proof?

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Thank you Zig, yes those are 6 footers. AP T-25s bottom and middle, Boaphile on top.

It probably took over a year to settle on the right size bowls.


The heavy plastic ones from Reptile Basics seem to only work best on my up to 5 foot snakes, but may be ok for longer Colubrids.

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After that I found these Camo dog food bowls at some Walmart stores, not every store has them. And I could not find them on the website. They are nice and heavy with good balance and have yet been turned over, even by Lizzy or Mack, 7.5-8 ft, and 7 ft Coastals. Too bad Punch is too big for them. This Butch, my small Boa in his.


The large metal bowl in the Boaphile is too lightweight for my heavy bodied Boa, Punch.(Similar to Sauzo's Rosey) Punch just kept knocking it over and humidity was always too high.

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So I settled on this 14 inch rubber bowl usually found at farm supply stores, but one of my Walmarts had it. The only problem with it is it has that strong funky rubber smell. After many washes the smell is less, but not gone. The bowl is heavy and flexes which helps keep it from tipping.

I found those camo bowls at Tractor Supply Company yesterday. They are the 5 qt ones and are like $10. They offer the normal camo and a pink camo. So far gave one to Caesar and Vic. Will probably pick one up for Dot and Tractor Supply also has those big rubber ones but I didn't get one. That funky rubber smell makes me kind of worried lol. I might have to keep looking for one for Rosey or stick with her dish tub for now.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

I found those camo bowls at Tractor Supply Company yesterday. They are the 5 qt ones and are like $10. They offer the normal camo and a pink camo. So far gave one to Caesar and Vic. Will probably pick one up for Dot and Tractor Supply also has those big rubber ones but I didn't get one. That funky rubber smell makes me kind of worried lol. I might have to keep looking for one for Rosey or stick with her dish tub for now.

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Yeah, I got Lizzy and Elvira the pink Camo. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b1f95a2485.jpg

I understand about that rubber smell. I'm halfway thinking that since Punch uses his bowl as a toilet also, that may drive some of that funky smell out.:D But I do wash it 2-3 times a week with antimicrobial soap and bleach, so the funk IS slowly going away.

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Originally Posted by Reinz

Yeah, I got Lizzy and Elvira the pink Camo. https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...b1f95a2485.jpg

I understand about that rubber smell. I'm halfway thinking that since Punch uses his bowl as a toilet also, that may drive some of that funky smell out.:D But I do wash it 2-3 times a week with antimicrobial soap and bleach, so the funk IS slowly going away.

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Lol nice. So does that rubber smell overwhelm the cage? When you open the cage, is it just a super rubber smell? lol

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Lol nice. So does that rubber smell overwhelm the cage? When you open the cage, is it just a super rubber smell? lol

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Even when the rubber was new it would not smell up the cage. And I have a sensitive schnoz. But I could smell it at about chest level when carrying it. Now I have bend down with my nose to smell it. It's much better now.

Yeah I went and sniffed them and I don't know. I ended up skipping on them since also when I was rubbing my fingers on them, it seemed to leave some sticky oil it felt like. I talked to the gal there and she said personally if it was for her boa, she would go stainless steel. She said easier to clean and no smell. I ended up getting the 10 qt one for Rosey. Also thought about if any of that stuff could leach into the water. I'm probably being paranoid but meh lol. I do like those camo bowls though. Picked up 3 of them for Caesar, Vic and Dot.

Haha just noticed, the metal one in your Boaphile is the same one I got Rosey. God I hope she doesn't tip it lol.

Funny, that is what I did originally.

At first I skipped the rubber bowl because of your same reasons. But after the SS bowl tipped about the eight or ninth time I just had to yank it out. But before that, I bought the rubber bowl after about the 2nd tipping of the SS bowl, but I put it outside in the sun for about 2weeks. It helped a tad, but not as much as I had hoped. Then I scrubbed the rubber bowl like a madman.

BTW, I'm mot trying to sell you on the rubber one at all. Just going through my thought processes. :rolleyes:

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Haha, yeah if she tips it, I'll probably just go back to her dish tub.

I'm sure the tub will work fine IF she decides to even use it.

Lol yeah. So far nobody seems thrilled about sitting in their bowls. The seem to like to sit on the rim though. Caesar is in shed so he hasn't come out of his hide in days lol.

Well Caesar shed a few days ago and I decided to measure him. He is now about 5'. He is growing like a weed. He was about 2' back on Oct 10th when I got him. Now just over 3 months later he is about 5'. That's like a foot a month!! He is as long as Vic is now and she is almost 3 years old where as Caesar is 8 months old today :O Heck at this rate, Caesar is going to need a T25 before Vic will lol.

Man that is an incredible rate of growth! That must be fun watching him grow right before your eyes.

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Man that is an incredible rate of growth! That must be fun watching him grow right before your eyes.

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Honestly its kind of shocking. I mean it's like every time I take him out 'play', he is longer lol. Good thing is so easy going. Heck even after his escape, when I found him under the chair curled up sleeping, I was able to reach down just scoop him up and he just stayed in his coil and looked at me like 'what's all the excitement about?'

I hope he stays under 10' lol.

Well today was feeding for pretty much everyone so I got Caesar a medium rat. He went bananas when he smelled rats. I had one of his doors open to try and drop some humidity since I just changed his ReptiChips. I totally forgot I had his door open and I went down the line feeding Luna, then Allie and after I gave Allie her rat, I turned around and ran into Caesar with my arm lol. The cage stack is next to Allie and Lunas table and Caesar had stretched about halfway out to see where his rat was lol. I'm glad he didn't bite my arm when I ran into him. He just looked at me haha. So I went and got him a medium rat and he easily polished that off. Then he went and sat on top of his warm hide and watched me feed the others. Then when he saw he wasn't getting more, he went into his cool hide and went to sleep I'm guessing as that was the last I saw of him lol. So bottom line, guess fatty is up to medium rats now. Left a nice lump in him and seemed to fill him up as he wasn't pacing around the front of the cage, just looking out the front lol. Cant believe he is up to Vic's size and Vic's size food at only 8 months old today.

At the rate he's going I think he could possibly reach/exceed 10' in all honesty. He's far outstripped River's growth and she's almost 8' now.

Retics definitely love their food. I have River on colossals now and they leave a colossal lump, but rats don't seem to bog her down as much as rabbits because she's still as enthusiastic as ever. The growth spurt of just over half a foot in 2-3 months probably has a bit to do with that too though...she's thinned out once again. Haha. Then she'll get thick for awhile and then explode in length. >.>


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Phyllis seems to be growing at a similar rate to when she's was 5-7 months old but i think it just seems slower now that she's around 6' and three inches of growth now looks like far less than it did when she was 3-3.5' long.
She's grown about 4+ feet in 10 months. If she does that again in her second year she would hit 10'.
I've heard from some people that SD retics can reach 10-12 feet with heavy feeding but I feel like that's the extreme end of the possible size range. I'm still guessing Phyllis will reach a solid 8.5' give or take. She does seem to be slowing down a tad but I've also been feeding a bit lighter. I have no doubt that she could take a large rat at this point but I've just decided that she doesn't need it. Probably contributes to her slightly slower growth. She pushes at her cage equally as wildly with any feeding schedule she's had since October I think. When she does end up needing large rats sooner than later I'll probably shoot for 8-10 day feeding schedules and see how she deals.
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Interesting reading about people's different feeding schedules and growth.

I've still got Wallace eating small rats on a 7 to 10 day schedule and now that he's in shed we may hit 11 or 12 days. He is at the 4 foot mark, lean and fast as a jet when he wants to move. He is 7 months old and seems to be on the perfect growth course for what I'm looking for.

The more you feed them when they are young, the more potential they will have for larger sizes at adulthood, according to Bob Clark and Jay Brewer.

I don't anticipate any issues if my guy hits the 9-10 foot mark, but that size may present some challenges when handling due to the speed these guys have.

I read a thread on another board about carpets and retics and some folks felt they were quite similar. I guess the semi arboreal behaviors and longer, leaner body type could be considered similar, but the locomotion of a reticulated python is much more colubrid like than any other boa or python I've experienced. I have not worked with olives, Timors or scrubs so I can't comment on them.

Wallace dose not move slowly and when is eats, he uses very quick, deliberate movements. He may technically be an ambush predator, but he goes to the food when its time verses waiting for it to come to him. He ended up with a small, live rat on our last feeding and he actually pursued it. When he eats he tries to get the food down rapidly and doesn't spend a lot of time swallowing.

Frequent handling is important IMO. The species is certainly more advanced and requires respect and certain cautions.

Caesar and Phyllis are looking good.

I'm not ready to bump up my cage size just yet which is nice considering it will be a bare minimum of $500.

I'm tempted to call AP and ask what a T-25 with 2 extra inches of ceiling height would go for, although I have a Monster Cage option too.

Sauzo, do you think I could stack one of my Pro-Line cages 48" x 30" x 20" on top of the AP unit? The AP would spec the exact same only it would be 6' wide.

I don't want to completely revamp my room, but I will if that stack idea won't work. It may work out with Monster Caging though as Matt uses welds and cross bars in the ceilings of his cages.

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Interesting reading about people's different feeding schedules and growth.

I've still got Wallace eating small rats on a 7 to 10 day schedule and now that he's in shed we may hit 11 or 12 days. He is at the 4 foot mark, lean and fast as a jet when he wants to move. He is 7 months old and seems to be on the perfect growth course for what I'm looking for.

The more you feed them when they are young, the more potential they will have for larger sizes at adulthood, according to Bob Clark and Jay Brewer.

I don't anticipate any issues if my guy hits the 9-10 foot mark, but that size may present some challenges when handling due to the speed these guys have.

I read a thread on another board about carpets and retics and some folks felt they were quite similar. I guess the semi arboreal behaviors and longer, leaner body type could be considered similar, but the locomotion of a reticulated python is much more colubrid like than any other boa or python I've experienced. I have not worked with olives, Timors or scrubs so I can't comment on them.

Wallace dose not move slowly and when is eats, he uses very quick, deliberate movements. He may technically be an ambush predator, but he goes to the food when its time verses waiting for it to come to him. He ended up with a small, live rat on our last feeding and he actually pursued it. When he eats he tries to get the food down rapidly and doesn't spend a lot of time swallowing.

Frequent handling is important IMO. The species is certainly more advanced and requires respect and certain cautions.

Caesar and Phyllis are looking good.

I'm not ready to bump up my cage size just yet which is nice considering it will be a bare minimum of $500.

I'm tempted to call AP and ask what a T-25 with 2 extra inches of ceiling height would go for, although I have a Monster Cage option too.

Sauzo, do you think I could stack one of my Pro-Line cages 48" x 30" x 20" on top of the AP unit? The AP would spec the exact same only it would be 6' wide.

I don't want to completely revamp my room, but I will if that stack idea won't work. It may work out with Monster Caging though as Matt uses welds and cross bars in the ceilings of his cages.

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You know, I had my Pro-Line stacked on top of my T10 for awhile when I was using those folding tables so I had 2 cages on 1 table and 2 cages on another. What I noticed happening was the Pro-Lines center was sagging more and I almost had the issue Figment has with his with the center of the cage binding the door. Also I noticed that my AP cages sliding door was starting to stick. Now I'm not 100% sure that stacking them was the cause but once I unstacked them and got the Ap stand and stacked all 3 of my T10s on each other, the door for the Ap cage moved smooth again. Also the Pro-Line door went back to closing like normal too. So bottom line is, I personally wouldn't stack them although you can try and see if you start to experience what I did and if so, just unstack them.

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At the rate he's going I think he could possibly reach/exceed 10' in all honesty. He's far outstripped River's growth and she's almost 8' now.

Retics definitely love their food. I have River on colossals now and they leave a colossal lump, but rats don't seem to bog her down as much as rabbits because she's still as enthusiastic as ever. The growth spurt of just over half a foot in 2-3 months probably has a bit to do with that too though...she's thinned out once again. Haha. Then she'll get thick for awhile and then explode in length. >.>


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I hope he doesn't get over 10' lol.

This last feeding, Caesar went about 2 weeks without food, 1 of those weeks being because he was shedding and antisocial. Once he came out of shed, he wanted food and started pushing his head between the door and litter dam of the AP cage, climbed all over his shelf, sat at the front of the cage for hours and would look outside lol. That's when I gave him the medium rat. Well like I said in the last post, it seemed to have quieted him down...kind of. After he went in his cool hide, I slid the warm side door open to adjust his ReptiChips as he made a mess of that side from eating. Well, he popped out of the hide like lightning haha and looked at me. It was the look of 'omg more dinner!!??' And this is coming from the fatty who had a very good size lump in him. So yeah, they really do love their food haha.

I still cant believe how fast he has grown. He's still streamline but has put on a lot more muscle. I want to slow him down on food a little but like Phyllis, he will go into destruction mode if not fed. He will dig around his hides, push on the glass, wedge his head between the litter dam and glass, follow you around as you walk by the cage and in the case of last night where I forgot I had his door half open, he came out and was watching me feed Allison. I'm still thankful he didn't tag me when I turned around and ran into him lol. Just looked at me like 'so where's mine!!'

I'm hoping he slows down at the 1 year mark and I can stretch him out to maybe once ever 2 weeks on food then. maybe I'll get lucky and he will only put on another foot in those 2 months lol.

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You know, I had my Pro-Line stacked on top of my T10 for awhile when I was using those folding tables so I had 2 cages on 1 table and 2 cages on another. What I noticed happening was the Pro-Lines center was sagging more and I almost had the issue Figment has with his with the center of the cage binding the door. Also I noticed that my AP cages sliding door was starting to stick. Now I'm not 100% sure that stacking them was the cause but once I unstacked them and got the Ap stand and stacked all 3 of my T10s on each other, the door for the Ap cage moved smooth again. Also the Pro-Line door went back to closing like normal too. So bottom line is, I personally wouldn't stack them although you can try and see if you start to experience what I did and if so, just unstack them.

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That's what I thought. I may change my setup and stack all 3 Pro-Line cages. I didn't want to go 3 high because I will have to buy a pedestal or make a rolling stand that is very heavy duty. Its not the end of the world, just more money and rearranging. I like to spread the power draw out to different outlets as well.

I've got some time since the boy is staying small so far. Although after this shed, he may have another fe inches on him.

Just looked over all your pictures of Caesar right from the beginning - I'm in love with him! :love: He's so beautiful and sweet, I hope you post more pictures as he reaches adulthood. It's amazing seeing him start off so small and growing larger - thanks for sharing the pics!

Here is Caesar on day 5 after dinner and he is out and about destroying stuff and thinking the camera is dinner lol.
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Didn't have the flash set so hard to see Caesars face kind of
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Caesar has gotten so huge. Here he is after lights out all stretched out at the sliding door that is opened for food. He is camping the door waiting for food delivery haha. Been sitting here for about 2 hours now. He is definitely patient.
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That's getting close to how long Phyllis is! Maybe 10-12" shorter at most. He's looking awesome!


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He's coloring up nicely. He decided since no food, he was going to sleep on his shelf under his vine lol.
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Beautiful snake! I love your setup.

Caesar actually decided to finally pose for a picture lol.
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Caesar looks amazing every time I see him Sauzo. It looks like he's growing nicely too. What's his feeding schedule like?

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Caesar looks amazing every time I see him Sauzo. It looks like he's growing nicely too. What's his feeding schedule like?

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Thanks. His feeding schedule is whatever he can grab onto lol. He used to be every 4 days but I've pushed him back to a medium quail, chicken or rat once a week. But usually after about 5 days, he's perching looking around, pushing his head between the litter dam and door or sprawled out in front of the food door doing his starvin marvin impression lol. And if someone walks by his cage, he is outside and in the front looking for food lol.

I love these progression threads! Please keep spamming Caesar pics :D

How long and how much does he weigh now? Baby retics eyes and snouts look so much like a ball python, it confuses me haha

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I love these progression threads! Please keep spamming Caesar pics :D

How long and how much does he weigh now? Baby retics eyes and snouts look so much like a ball python, it confuses me haha

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I haven't weighed Caesar but he's about 5' long.

Caesar getting some hang out time. I generally open the snake cages while I'm around watching tv and they usually just hang out with their heads outside just sitting there. The boas love to do it and now it looks like Caesar is starting to enjoy it too. Caesar hangs down a little and looks around and then climbs back up into his cage and sits there lol.
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Great lookin Boy right there :gj:

Thanks. He is such a trouble maker though lol. He basically finds a way to ruin anything nice I try to give him or finds ways to escape stuff that the boas don't even think of lol. A few nights ago, he some how got himself stuck in his plant and was thrashing about. I went to go see what was happening and I freaked out. I had to take him along with the vine out and he was REALLY scared lol. I had to slide blunt nose scissiors into the ring on the vine and cut it to free him. A spot on his body had roughed up scales and he immediately curled up on my arm after I got him free and he just sat there on me for like 30 mins haha. Then after that he slowly started exploring on me again and going back to being his troublemaking self. So I yanked the vine out. So whats Caesar do the next night......he starts digging around inside his water bowl and pushing ReptiChips around. Luckily his scales all smothed out and the indent that vine ring left on had gone away and he seems to be back to pita self lol. The picture above is him tonight, a few days after the whole fiasco. Heres what the vine looks like. Out of focus big time but you can see the rings still. So be warned, these vines work awesome for small snakes or big snakes but for those that are inbetween, they can get stuck.
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Thats hysterical hahahahaha. I disagree with those who think there just mindles reptiles, I watch them sit for a sec & think lol. My Burm even gets mad, he will HISSS at me and go back to doing what I stopped him from doing (crawl up onto kitchen counter) until he finnaly gives up after i drag him back off and finds other trouble to get into.
I had to remove the vines from the BP's because of that same thing. My male was hanging upside down and making it all the across the 48" and kept going back and forth every night but each night one branch would break and he would fall 10" and BOOM.. Id wake up & go make sure he was ok and he would be back to it. He even was doing it the night after he ate and i said thats enough and took the hanging branches/vines down before he hurt himself. Thats when I did the PVC much safer. They all crack me up.
You've got some SMART ones too. Their known for that!!!!

Lol yeah. Dottie does drive by hissings sometimes when you pet her or block her path to her destination like your burm lol. Dottie and Caesar have to have a hawkeye on them when they are out or they will go for the floor and find something to get into to cause trouble. The boas are generally ok as long as they cant find something to climb. Rosey climbed up a torchier lamp I had and got to the top and then stretched out to look around and toppled it haha. It made a huge bang on the floor and bent the lamp, popped the cover off but luckily didn't break the bulb. She just sat there holding it on the floor and looking at me when I went over there hahaha. She also loves to knock stuff off shelves or tables. Vicky is pretty much the only one who is well behaved when outside.

Yeah that would make me to nervous hahahaha. The Burms to big to crawl up things and the balls only damage their enclosures hahaha...
to have a snake that climbs lamps would have me freaked out about them breaking ribs when falling or smashing glass. Once my burm had his body wrapped around the bathroom towel rack on the wall connected himself over to the towel rack on the back of the door. He got out of the tub and had us locked out hahah. Took 10 min then he let go. Gotta love t... Cute though

They are never too big to crawl up stuff haha. Rosey tries to get on stuff she is clearly too big for like the torchier lamp and it usually ends with a mess lol. She climbed on a dresser that I used to put spare hides of all sizes, water bowls and Harley's king worms and phoenix worms on. Well needless to say, she knocked a bunch of hides off the dresser, 1 water bowl and almost the king worms which would have been a huge mess. Luckily, I heard the noise from all the hides and the 1 water bowl and ran over there only to see her, look at me and flick her tongue like 'what?' lol.

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They are never too big to crawl up stuff haha. Rosey tries to get on stuff she is clearly too big for like the torchier lamp and it usually ends with a mess lol. She climbed on a dresser that I used to put spare hides of all sizes, water bowls and Harley's king worms and phoenix worms on. Well needless to say, she knocked a bunch of hides off the dresser, 1 water bowl and almost the king worms which would have been a huge mess. Luckily, I heard the noise from all the hides and the 1 water bowl and ran over there only to see her, look at me and flick her tongue like 'what?' lol.

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Ohhh yes they do crawl up dressers and counters and clear them right off hahahaha.. I havent had a Lamp problem though since I broke my Torch lamp about 10 years ago... I must have gone through 4 of those and i said the heck with them... Hahhah

Well I think I found the sweet spot for Caesar's food *knocks on wood*. Looking at him tonight and I still see a little lump from the large rat. So it seems a large rat lasts him about 3-4 days. He is more active though tonight and playing under the paper towels and shoved his acurite around some. Hopefully I can get 2 more days of quietness out of him on that rat lol. And I'll half fill a 20 oz water bottle for him to have a 'toy'.

Caesar is looking great. He's got nice patterns AND color. Wait until you need rabbits, if he's anything like River he'll go crazy for them. I think Caesar is about the same size River was when I first started offering rabbits, but he won't require them for awhile yet. But being on larges already he should be ready to make the jump later this year.


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Yeah, I figure probably around summer time. If I remember right, the gal I get all my feeders from only has small rabbits which are the size I feed Rosey but considering Rosey eats large rats as well, I'm pretty sure Caesar could take a rabbit now but I'll stick with the large rats as right now, it looks like they are leaving a 3-4 day lump. I really don't think I'll have a hard time getting Caesar to eat anything lol. He took to chicks and quails really quick but they are small for him now. I was actually looking at Monster feeders that bcr mentioned. They have 0.5 lb piglets which should be weight wise about the same as a large rat but much more dense so would last Caesar probably at least 1.5 weeks, maybe 2 weeks if I'm lucky. I need to get a chest freezer first. Well actually I need to order a 3rd T8 next month for my dumerils and then everyone will be in AP cages. Then get the chest freezer and order some food and then start saving the pennies for this fall when I hopefully get a Pucallpa Peruvian BCC from either Vin Russo or Joel Diaz.

Omg it's been 3 days and 4 nights so far and Caesar is quiet as a church mouse after a large rat!!! /faint
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Damn dude! He's looking great. May have to bump Phyllis up to a large and see if she chills out more between feedings


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Damn dude! He's looking great. May have to bump Phyllis up to a large and see if she chills out more between feedings


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Thanks. I really do like how Caesar is coloring up. And yeah, a large rat has worked wonders here. He actually is inside his cool hide now sleeping but now I got Vicky causing trouble because I'm pushing her to 3 week feedings from 2 week feedings lol.

I thought about ordering some pigs from monster feeders but idk if I want to order 50 lbs of pig right now lol. If you ended up getting some for Caesar please keep us updated(: