One and a half year old snake, 50 grams?

That's a urate and is normal.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

That's a urate and is normal.

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Great to know!

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Originally Posted by New2Dis

I wouldn't worry too much because he is getting used to the new food and the propper stuff. I would put him in a sterillite tub with paper towel just for the ease of cleaning etc and too be able to keep proper humidity and heat. That's good that he shed though.

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Yeah I would, but I've put so much time and effort into getting this tank just right that it would feel like a waste to scrap it all for a simple tub..perhaps in the future. And thanks! I'm very relieved he shed perfectly :)

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Yay for poo! And for shedding nicely.

:gj: I wish I was as happy to see my dogs poop than I am my snakes :P I hope he starts to really thrive now.

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Originally Posted by Pippers

Yeah I would, but I've put so much time and effort into getting this tank just right that it would feel like a waste to scrap it all for a simple tub..perhaps in the future. And thanks! I'm very relieved he shed perfectly :)

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Excuse me if I'm sounding rude here, but... having a glass tank is for you, not Pip. Your snake doesn't know or care how aesthetically attractive a glass tank is versus a tub, or how much time, effort, or money you spent on it. Again, trying to put this gently: you clearly are very inexperienced with reptile husbandry. Many of the people on this website who have years of experience and own multiple thriving ball pythons have kindly suggested that you change up his housing, just like you had to change up his food. We can't make you do anything but it is a little odd to me that you accepted advice on a change in feeding, but not habitat change. I'm glad he's eating and pooping though, and that his last shed was a good one. Obviously a lot has improved for Pip so far, and that is great!

No offense taken! Since posting here I have indeed changed every single aspect of his housing, save for the tank. As you stated, it is aesthetically pleasing. Most people want a nice looking enclosure for their pet snakes and I'm no exception. Despite this, I've learned quite alot since posting here and I'm quite satisfied with the change, as I'm sure pip is too.

Thank you for the support

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time for some pics of Pip now!

I second the PICS!! We want to see Pip. :) I'm so happy for you to hear that he is sounding better and better every day. Kudos to you for sticking with it and doing what needed to be done. Sounds like he's well on his way.

As for the glass tank comment above, yes, tubs and PVC enclosures are generally easier to maintain temps, humidity, etc... but that doesn't mean glass tanks can't provide a happy home for snakes. Do they take more work and monitoring, yes, probably so. I used to think glass tanks were just the devil in disguise, but there are plenty of people here, and on other forums that prove that isn't the case. I have seen some AMAZING glass tank setups out there that are probably a much better habbitat for a snake than a tub.

You're learning, and as long as you keep doing things the right way, You'll be just fine. :) Keep up the good work!

Personally I use mostly tubs, but I do use a glass tank for a backup qt. the tank takes much more monitoring and work. But it can be kept up to standards if you keep on it and set it up properly. As long as you have it setup properly ( pretty sure someone linked the 20g setup thread already?) I don't see an issue.

Im so glad to see how pip is doing! Awesome job getting pip what he needs! We need more pics!!

Pics incoming, doesn't look much different! He's 78 grams as of right now, which seems like slow growth but I'm sure he'll be up to speed soon.

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Pip looks great!!! :)

Glad he's finally putting on some weight...

When I see super slow growers, I'm always reminded of this one garter breeder who had a baby that never grew. It lived about half the expected lifespan and ate regularly, just never grew beyond what a baby of a couple months would have been.

The growth in weight might not seem like much right now but just by looking at his before and after pics he looks much rounder and healthier compared to the spinal protrusion he had before. Keep up the good work

He looks so much healthier!!

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Originally Posted by Pippers

Pics incoming, doesn't look much different! He's 78 grams as of right now, which seems like slow growth but I'm sure he'll be up to speed soon.

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50g to 78g is over a 50% increase. That's fine.

His growth rate will slow as he gains size.

You're not looking to blow up him like a balloon to make up for lost time, you just want to feed him consistently and have him steadily add weight.

awesome looking snake - Congratulations on your care for this guy!

I pick up mine Saturday! Coming to me at 12inches, 143g! I thought that was abnormally small for a 3month old! but hey ho! Awesome Job.

He's a handsome little guy!


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Alternate suggestion to tanks and tubs if you have/at some point get the dosh for it: look into PVC enclosures like they have at Animal Plastics. Those have the easier time with retained heat/humidity like tubs, but are glass or plexiglass fronted so you can have a nice aesthetic view of your terrarium like tanks. best of both world right there. Only down size is that they can be bit on the pricey side, so you might have to save up a little bit first.

Update please, hope he is growing at a heatlhy rate

Hey guys, I know I haven't posted in awhile and stopped coming on when the problem was solved but Pip Is huge now, currently around 700g. I can't get a picture up (no computer) right now and my Chat on is having network errors. I'm so pleased with his growth, he's now midway through medium rats and will be onto large rats soon.

I'm so grateful for all the help you've all given Pip, he's truly doing well and if his brain had capacity to feel gratefulness, he would too. He's currently exploring my room, if you're curious.

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Originally Posted by Pippers

he's now midway through medium rats and will be onto large rats soon.

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Mediums are more than he should be feeding and large would be overfeeding.
One small every 7 to 10 days is plenty.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Mediums are more than he should be feeding and large would be overfeeding.
One small every 7 to 10 days is plenty.

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I agree 100% :) all of my snakes get small rats and if anyone refuses my big chunks will take that extra if they want it lol. But I'm glad to hear that your little guy has grown into a big boy! It's always awesome to see them progress over time [emoji4]


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+1 to Alex and Pit.
I don't give our boys anything bigger than a small, and they still put on weight fine. In the case of Mr. Bubbles, a little too fine. He's now pushing 1600 at just under 3. Upside is his breeding drive is strong.
Our girls, I'll offer a medium rat now and then if they seem to be growing a little slow (we aim for 500g a year for our girls for their first 3 years, so if a 2 or 3 year old is lagging behind but eating steady, I'll bump a meal for them once a month or so) or if we're trying to encourage ovulation.