Draco, Albino Checkered Garter

Finally found some albino checkered garter snakes for sale here in canada so excited

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Thank you Zincubus.

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Originally Posted by dylanjwicklund

Finally found some albino checkered garter snakes for sale here in canada so excited

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Congrats! They're fun little things even if they can be a little finicky. Haha


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I've had a few wild caught before but ended up releasing after not making the switch to mice

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I've also have a very nice blue cheeked one I caught but the other blue cheeked ate it :( so I gave up on wild caught

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Checkered garter snakes aren't found naturally in Canada, their range is Texas, parts of surrounding states, and parts of Mexico.

Probably what you're finding are eastern garter snakes with checkered patterns.

Not sure what the blue cheeked ones could be, unless blue-striped garters are found in Canada.

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No just garter lol but had very nice blue cheeks

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Huh well then idk never heard of one having just blue cheeks.

Me either only ever found 4 with blue and 2 having just blue cheeks that's why I liked them alot I mostly see ones with reds/oranges and very dark brown

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Just popping in to see how my favorite Garter snake is doing....

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This is where it's at. Ball pythons are lame

Draco is doing good. He's about to be moved to my new place with the others, though, so hopefully he'll take it well.

No one's been fed yet but when feeding day comes up I guess I'll see how they took the drive.


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Draco's last weight was 43 grams, and takes rat pinks almost with ease now. The rest of my rat pinks are majorly freezer-burnt so his last meal was a hopper mouse while I wait for my next shipment to arrive.

He was out and about looking for food a few days after one of his feedings, so I took the chance to snap some photos of him! It was easy to draw him close, just wiggled my finger around. lol

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Originally Posted by dylanjwicklund

Me either only ever found 4 with blue and 2 having just blue cheeks that's why I liked them alot I mostly see ones with reds/oranges and very dark brown

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There are two species of garter snake (including their sub species) that do extend into different regions in Canada. T. elegans and T. sirtalis. They are known as the western terrestrial and the eastern garter respectively. T. elegans with at least 5 subspecies and T. sirtalis with even more subspecies. Either could have locales that harbor individuals with bluish labial scales or infralabial scales of black and or blue. T. elegans Southwestern Canada and T. sirtalis in South central Canada and the Canadian Maritime provinces.

Checking up on my favorite Garter Snake .

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i have an albino to! i was trying to upload a picture of her on the thread i just started and i couldnt figure it out i clicked the picture thing but i couldnt get it to upload still

Garter snake photo shoot from yesterday! Draco's belly was looking very pink today, so maybe I've finally caught him in shed without the tell tale blue phase. haha His last shed was in January, so he's definitely due for a shed. Guess we'll see in the next couple of weeks.

Trying - and failing - to capture that pink tinge.
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This one shows it a bit better, and you can see a pinkish area around the corner of his vent.
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Hey


Just wondering what you peeps think about the fairly recent developement / suggestion that Garter snakes are apparently rear - fanged and mildly toxic / venomous !?!?

There's a note about this on the Garter snake Wiki page apparently ...


Should I be concerned being hyper sensitive to just about everything and having 3 Albino Checkered Garter snakes ???

Thanks

The research isn't saying they're rear-fanged. It's saying they have Duvornoy's gland. They don't have any fangs, they have teeth like a non-venomous snake, and the venom just runs down their teeth. It's even less efficient than being rear-fanged, and their venom is even milder than a hoggie's.


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Originally Posted by CloudtheBoa

The research isn't saying they're rear-fanged. It's saying they have Duvornoy's gland. They don't have any fangs, they have teeth like a non-venomous snake, and the venom just runs down their teeth. It's even less efficient than being rear-fanged, and their venom is even milder than a hoggie's.


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Thanks .. Somebody joined a Garter thread last night suggesting they were rear-fanged and mildly toxic/venomous and quoted the WiKi section ..

Draco last weighed in at 51 grams. So he's still growing rapidly despite closing in on his 3rd birthday.

Here's some recent pics of him. :) He was being naughty and pooped (not musked, pooped) all over my hand. -.- Needless to say, his outing was cut short so I could wash my hands.

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He is now able to eat rat pinks without having 3 mouse pinks every other feeding.

Draco looks very good! I can't wait to produce that female granite to give him some company. :)

Definitely keep me on the list for next season, Albert! He'll be an old fart by then but he should still breed. :P

Not much to update on Draco, he hasn't gained any weight since his last weigh-in. He does seem to be hanging out in his humid hide again, so maybe a shed is coming up.

Here's a photo of him watching me from a safe place after I dug him up to check on him the day before. He was unusually enthusiastic about feeding time yesterday. He came right out of his humid hide and took the rat pink from the tongs!

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Here he is in his humid hide, from July.

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Last I weighed Draco he was 55 grams, and he's now on a diet because he's gotten quite chunky. lol He's going from eating a rat pink every 7 days to eating a pink every 10-12 days.

He also took an earthworm for the first time today! When he was a baby I couldn't get him to touch a worm, and he gobbled up two enthusiastically today. So I may mix worms into his diet, too.

So I hoped the tub would work to sorta contain him to show his chunkiness overhead (I mainly use it to hold the old dirt when switching bedding), but nope. As soon as the camera went over him, he launched up a couple feet in the air and plopped on the ground next to the tub. So I had to hold him still.

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I could be wrong, but I would think that worms would be more fattening than anything?

Very nice snake though.

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Originally Posted by Neal

I could be wrong, but I would think that worms would be more fattening than anything?

Very nice snake though.

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I'm not sure to be honest .. maybe somebody knows !?!

I read that they were better than any kind of man-made manufactured food for fish though - supposedly full of goodness .

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Originally Posted by MichPlat

I'm not sure to be honest .. maybe somebody knows !?!

I read that they were better than any kind of man-made manufactured food for fish though - supposedly full of goodness .

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No idea how we got fish in the subject being it was never mentioned, and we're talking about a snake not for fish.

Well worms are considerably less nutritious than rats or mice, so I can't really imagine them being all that fattening. They're basically water and dirt with a little bit of nutrients. If they're fed by themselves they require additional supplements, and the garters I see on worm diets are considerably leaner and smaller than mine. Well Demigod may be small, he was raised worm-only the first year or so of his life.


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Originally Posted by CloudtheBoa

Well worms are considerably less nutritious than rats or mice, so I can't really imagine them being all that fattening. They're basically water and dirt with a little bit of nutrients. If they're fed by themselves they require additional supplements, and the garters I see on worm diets are considerably leaner and smaller than mine. Well Demigod may be small, he was raised worm-only the first year or so of his life.


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Ah, yea like I said, I wasn't sure or not, was more or less just curious.

As of last month, I finally got a measurement on Draco, and he came out at 25". So far, he seems to be benefitting from the 12-14 day schedule. Haven't really noticed any weight loss in Draco, but he's eating bigger meal sizes than Demigod is.

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Unfortunately the photos don't expand enough to see them, but in the original photos you can see the little pores at the tips of his scales.

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Originally Posted by CloudtheBoa

Well worms are considerably less nutritious than rats or mice, so I can't really imagine them being all that fattening. They're basically water and dirt with a little bit of nutrients. If they're fed by themselves they require additional supplements, and the garters I see on worm diets are considerably leaner and smaller than mine. Well Demigod may be small, he was raised worm-only the first year or so of his life.


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That's kinda interesting as years ago I saw a survival program and the guy suggested that THE best thing to scavenge and eat was earthworms as they were an amazing food ( protein) source ( fried as I recall ) .
That was for humans though . He did say that most people wouldn't be able to even consider eating worms though .

I guess worms have no need for calcium so they possibly / probably won't have any in their system to pass on to snakes though ..

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