Who owns guns and you carry?

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Originally Posted by pigfat

KMG, nobody realizes what we deal with on a day to day scene. I wish people would do a ride-along and actually SEE what we deal with. Most think it's just riding around giving people tickets. I wish that's all there was to it!

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Don't forget the coffee and donuts ;):rofl::rofl:

3skulls save it for MrLangs thread:D lol Jk you make great points.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I am sure Mr Chris Kyle had just as much (if not more) training than either of us put together and none of it helped him. Even the firearm on his hip didn't do any good. I would rather have the choice of taking your life and keeping mine over waiting for PD to show up after the fact to mark my body.
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Most likely, and that's a sad story about him. That being said last time I ran into a Marsoc sniper he was actually one of the trainers at SRT school. During a training sim of clearing a house he decided he was going to pop my shield(I was the shield man) back into my face. Long story short I tossed him on his noggin and they had to call for an index because that wasn't part of the training. My platoon SGT chewed me out in front of everyone, then slapped me five when no one was looking :) He said it was good to show them the army isn't a bunch of "female body parts" lol. Ok this is way off topic, thought it was a fun memory tho.

Since Mr.Lang has not branched off I do have a question.

If I was off duty and see you getting robbed what do you think I should do?

If a civilian with a carry license see you getting robbed what do you think they should do?


WATCH!?!

My brother in law is an officer and my sister was a cop but retired early after having kids.
If he is caught without his gun or badge while off duty, I'm pretty sure he is in deep kaka.

KMG, speaking as a non-officer, I'd be all kinds of relieved if an off-duty officer intervened on my behalf in that sort of scenario, as would most non-criminals, I imagine. Same goes for a carry permit holder, though that has somewhat more potential for things to go legally sideways, simply due to the fact that they don't have arrest powers and that the police would likely then have to investigate instead of simply knowing the facts via being there. As much as I respect and have never personally had a bad interaction with the police, I don't want to be the subject of an investigation if I can avoid it.

Maybe we should just coddle the criminals and make them feel better about themselves :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

Maybe we should just coddle the criminals and make them feel better about themselves :rolleyes:

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I nominate Mr. Lang for this program. He seems to understand the drug clouded minds of crackheads.

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Originally Posted by pigfat

KMG, nobody realizes what we deal with on a day to day scene. I wish people would do a ride-along and actually SEE what we deal with. Most think it's just riding around giving people tickets. I wish that's all there was to it!

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Whats a ride-along...?

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Originally Posted by KMG

Since Mr.Lang has not branched off I do have a question.

If I was off duty and see you getting robbed what do you think I should do?

If a civilian with a carry license see you getting robbed what do you think they should do?


WATCH!?!

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Well I just had a glass of wine with dinner so I guess you should let me be a victim. I don't care enough about myself so why should anyone else. Lol! Damn I got sucked into it again!!!!

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Whats a ride-along...?

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Ride with a cop for the day.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Whats a ride-along...?

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Many agencies allow citizens who are interested in law enforcement ride with a officer for a shift. It helps to say your interested in becoming an officer. You get to see alittle of the job but they try to keep you out of the dangerous stuff.

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Originally Posted by Rob

Ride with a cop for the day.

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Can i do that? Or do i have to take a training course first or something? That sounds like it'd be cool.

Are any bp.net members cops in CT? I'd go with you pigfat, but im not driving to OK just to hangout with you for a day.

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Originally Posted by KMG

Many agencies allow citizens who are interested in law enforcement ride with a officer for a shift. It helps to say your interested in becoming an officer. You get to see alittle of the job but they try to keep you out of the dangerous stuff.

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Oh never mind. I'd just wanna go to see the cool stuff, which is probably the dangerous stuff lol.

Does anybody want to buy 13 guns? I'm going to have some wings this weekend and they are not healthy so I have no business protecting myself or family. Ok sorry couldn't resist, I really am making wings this weekend.

You go to your local police station and ask if they have a program. No training involved just a info packet to fill out so they can make sure you are good to go.

You would run calls, do traffic stops, maybe see some bad wrecks. You might also get to see the end results of chases, shootings, and cuttings.

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Originally Posted by Seanjackmc

I really am making wings this weekend.

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Ugh I haven't made wings in a long time....I tend to go out of control when I bust out my deep fryer out, everything ends up in there.

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Originally Posted by KMG

You go to your local police station and ask if they have a program. No training involved just a info packet to fill out so they can make sure you are good to go.

You would run calls, do traffic stops, maybe see some bad wrecks. You might also get to see the end results of chases, shootings, and cuttings.

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Can you do it with state cops? I don't like most of the town cops haha.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

How many of you are actively concerned in your daily activities with preventing damage from heart disease and cancer? Those are the things that will kill you. This is fact.

How many carry firearms for protection but are obese, smoke cigarettes, or live sedentary lifestyles?

Again, no attack here... just food for thought / request for feedback.

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I quit smoking years ago and try to eat good to reduce my risk of health problems. I have guns at home to reduce the risk of harm coming to my family. If I eventually get my permit to conceal carry, it will be because I've come to the conclusion that it will reduce my risk of harm. Nothing is absolute, you will never be totally out of harms way...it's all about reducing your risk...

Long ago growing up in Orlando, our neighborhood increasingly became worse and worse as far as crime goes. It was me, my brother and my Mom. No Dad there to protect us. Late one night, someone tried breaking in. They were actually in the process of jimmy'ing the front window open when my Mom and I finally figured out what the noise was. My Mom ran to her bedroom, grabbed her 30-30 rifle and tapped the window about 3 inches from his face. As soon as he saw the barrel of that gun he was gone. No shots fired. No one killed or injured. Our house was never broken in again, even though it was a literal crime wave in our neighborhood. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Our house was the one with the crazy lady with the rifle. All our neighbors houses were, unfortunately, targets to these scumbags. I will not be a target. And my family will not be a target...

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Can you do it with state cops? I don't like most of the town cops haha.

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Here you can but it may be different there.

We have a 12 gauge over under ruger for sport shooting and clays (skeet and 5 stand), a 0.50 Muzzleloader and a 30.06 I use for hunting. In addition, my fiance's dad deals gun and she used to shoot Olympic skeet so she has lots of guns down in RI including a beautiful Kreighoff Shotgun that she used in competition.

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Originally Posted by Seanjackmc

Does anybody want to buy 13 guns? I'm going to have some wings this weekend and they are not healthy so I have no business protecting myself or family. Ok sorry couldn't resist, I really am making wings this weekend.

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Well, I'm not interested in the Glocks, since they just plain don't fit my hands well and I prefer 9mm to .40 for reasons of capacity, cost, and "snappiness" anyway, but depending on what exactly your AR is, that might be interesting to me. Of course, if it's a "package deal," I suppose Glocks probably aren't too hard to resell. :P

/also couldn't resist
//not really trying to buy your guns

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Originally Posted by Rob

Ugh I haven't made wings in a long time....I tend to go out of control when I bust out my deep fryer out, everything ends up in there.

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Hahahahaha! That's totlay me. I end up making a beer batter and throw everything in. We call it a fry party. I don't care what it is it goes in! I have a turkey fryer I use and man things get ugly quick! End up going to the freezer section of the store and buy it out then dump it in hot oil and everyone is happy.
Sorry this is so funny to me. But we have the same problem as Rob, starts as wings and turns into a bunch of stuff being fried we don't need. But if the beer is cold it's all good!

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Originally Posted by Rob

Ugh I haven't made wings in a long time....I tend to go out of control when I bust out my deep fryer out, everything ends up in there.

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I'll trade you buff chic dip for buff chic wings...

Come on Mike! I'm cooler than a fan. I tend to end up in foot pursuits.

I don't think I said anything about caudling criminals. I believe in due process, (*cough* KMG) not shooting everyone who does me wrong. I hope your comment wasn't specifically directed at me Dave, as I usually post very positive, respectful things to you. As for the comment claiming I have depth of understanding of the mind of a crack head, that's a pretty offensive comment and uncalled for. I have this skill, it's called objective thinking. You should give it a whirl sometime.

I also didn't come in here insulting anyone and actually said I support your decisions to carry arms (skulls), so I'm not sure why anything needed to be escalated to personal insults. I don't need to start a new thread because I honestly don't care enough. It's not something that I have a strong opinion on. My purpose in life is to add depth of understanding to the world around me. Apologies for ruffling feathers.

I came here and asked a question to try to further my understanding of how someone could make a rational decision to carry a gun around in public. I am realizing there isn't going to be an objective, rational, statistically backed response to that question. I have a feeling the personal insults are stemming from a lack of ability to provide one.

I told you in my first post that I wasn't going to try to have a debate about gun control. I just wanted to hear the reasoning for the decision for concealed carry in public. A few of you provided an answer and I thank you for your time in doing so. A few others have embarrassed yourselves thoroughly. I actually thank you as well for that.

I'll let you guys get back to talking about the specs of your man-toys. Since there was some rudeness out of left field, sleep on this one:

It is statistical FACT that your children's safety is compromised by your decision to keep guns under their roof. Next time you buy them a Happy Meal with a gun in the car, don't ask yourself which one might be bad for your kid, ask yourself which one is worse.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

It is statistical FACT that your children's safety is compromised by your decision to keep guns under their roof.

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Due to irresponsible ownership. Yeah, guns can be dangerous, if you're irresponsible. So can dogs, if you're irresponsible. So can really big snakes, if you're irresponsible. So are motorcycles, if you're irresponsible. Do we see a theme emerging here? :D Living in a bubble is not living. Do what you can to reduce the risks and get on with life...

I don't let what other people do or believe effect me. If you want to carry a gun, go for it. If you don't that's cool too. I bring that way of thinking with me to most things in life. I personally don't believe in god, but if you do I'm not going to judge you and I don't expect you to judge me. If someone wants to eat fast food everyday and sit on their butt, good for them. It doesn't effect me.
Live YOUR life :)

So I wasn't supposed to be offended by you making a comment about a psych test and being weeded out?

I was just saying that it is my right, cop or not, to carry and protect myself. Under the definition of a robbery fear or threat of harm has to be present. If that is the case I will end the situation and them. Due process? You don't know the difference between a pickpocket and a robber but I'm to believe you know about due process.


I'm a sheepdog your a sheep. I'm fine with that. Do us all a favor though and get a tshirt that says "Please don't protect me because 90+% of the time I'll survive." I think even a .01% chance of a good citizen being hurt in any way is enough reason to act and bring the violence back on the dirtbag that started the situation in the first place Without the dirtbag to start trouble there is no trouble.I have never once heard a victim say "its ok officer, I asked to be robbed."

Maybe after your a victim you will feel different. The way things are going we may not have long to see.

Meh...if we used the death penalty more often maybe there wouldnt be so many criminals.....


/stirringthepot

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Originally Posted by OsirisRa32

Meh...if we used the death penalty more often maybe there wouldnt be so many criminals.....


/stirringthepot

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Not everyone can be China...

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Originally Posted by MrLang

I don't think I said anything about caudling criminals. I believe in due process, (*cough* KMG) not shooting everyone who does me wrong. I hope your comment wasn't specifically directed at me Dave, as I usually post very positive, respectful things to you. As for the comment claiming I have depth of understanding of the mind of a crack head, that's a pretty offensive comment and uncalled for. I have this skill, it's called objective thinking. You should give it a whirl sometime.

I also didn't come in here insulting anyone and actually said I support your decisions to carry arms (skulls), so I'm not sure why anything needed to be escalated to personal insults. I don't need to start a new thread because I honestly don't care enough. It's not something that I have a strong opinion on. My purpose in life is to add depth of understanding to the world around me. Apologies for ruffling feathers.

I came here and asked a question to try to further my understanding of how someone could make a rational decision to carry a gun around in public. I am realizing there isn't going to be an objective, rational, statistically backed response to that question. I have a feeling the personal insults are stemming from a lack of ability to provide one.

I told you in my first post that I wasn't going to try to have a debate about gun control. I just wanted to hear the reasoning for the decision for concealed carry in public. A few of you provided an answer and I thank you for your time in doing so. A few others have embarrassed yourselves thoroughly. I actually thank you as well for that.

I'll let you guys get back to talking about the specs of your man-toys. Since there was some rudeness out of left field, sleep on this one:

It is statistical FACT that your children's safety is compromised by your decision to keep guns under their roof. Next time you buy them a Happy Meal with a gun in the car, don't ask yourself which one might be bad for your kid, ask yourself which one is worse.

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If you don't care enough to start a thread why are you still posting here? I, not sure how you can say " I told you in my first post that I wasn't going to try to have a debate about gun control." Yet rebut most posts responding to your question. It's also a statistical fact that those who don't wear a seatbelt suffer more fatal collisions in a vehicle than those that do wear a seat belt. Are you saying no one should drive a car? The point you are missing is that responsible gun ownership and responsible carrying of a firearm have never proven harmful to anyone. Other than a bad guy. You know why you don't hear about responsible gun owners having tragedies related to their guns? It's because it doesn't happen. Every firearm I own is either on my person or locked in a safe at all times. Period! Please continue your debate on a new thread I'm about to post pics of my guns. Although maybe ill post a pic of a glass of wine or cigarette as they are both deadly.

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Why can you not answer my little questions of what a gun packing person should do when they see a crime against a person Mr.Lang?

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Originally Posted by olstyn

Well, I'm not interested in the Glocks, since they just plain don't fit my hands well and I prefer 9mm to .40 for reasons of capacity, cost, and "snappiness" anyway, but depending on what exactly your AR is, that might be interesting to me. Of course, if it's a "package deal," I suppose Glocks probably aren't too hard to resell. :P

/also couldn't resist
//not really trying to buy your guns

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Lol from my cold dead hands! The ar is a dmps .223. With a red dot sight.

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Originally Posted by Seanjackmc

If you don't care enough to start a thread why are you still posting here? I, not sure how you can say " I told you in my first post that I wasn't going to try to have a debate about gun control."

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Just sayin', you can't control who posts or what gets posted in your thread. I can make a thread about my *hypothetical* abortion, and just asking people if they've ever had one (LOL - that would be the weirdest thread ever) and do you think it wouldn't explode?

Just let it be, man. You're lucky your thread got this far without extreme explosions.

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Originally Posted by KMG

Why can you not answer my little questions of what a gun packing person should do when they see a crime against a person Mr.Lang?

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I didn't realize that was a legitimate question. Of course you should help people in need when you're capable... if you're carrying, of course it involves using your gun. Using your gun and shooting it are not always the same thing. That is something I'm sure you're trained on. I'm plenty aware of due process and I used the word pickpocket instead of robbery because I'm quite sure of the difference. Your original post read that all criminals should be shot dead. I'll chalk it up to being lost in translation. Good day to you, sir.

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Originally Posted by CatandDiallo

Just sayin', you can't control who posts or what gets posted in your thread. I can make a thread about my *hypothetical* abortion, and just asking people if they've ever had one (LOL - that would be the weirdest thread ever) and do you think it wouldn't explode?

Just let it be, man. You're lucky your thread got this far without extreme explosions.

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I agree with you it's the Internet lol, however don't say you don't want to start a debate than begin to debate numerous posts. I clearly said if a gun control debate was what mrlang was interested in then start a new post. My thread title was not " do you like guns, or think you should carry?" I truly was just looking to connect with others who share a common bond. That's all.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

your children's safety is compromised by your decision to keep guns under their roof. Next time you buy them a Happy Meal with a gun in the car, don't ask yourself which one might be bad for your kid, ask yourself which one is worse.

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This, is an annoying bunch of crap.

My daughter was taught from a young age about guns. She knows what they can do, she also knows the rules we have with guns, and she knows we have them in our house. We hunt, and she understands that as well. She knows what to do should she ever come across one here or where ever. Personally I believe them being educated about them is much better off. Rather than the kid who has never seen one, knows nothing about them, and is curious. Boom, there's your accident. All you people that don't want guns in your house, go right ahead. I'll keep mine.


Oh, and the Happy Meal is WAY worse.


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Originally Posted by MrLang

I didn't realize that was a legitimate question. Of course you should help people in need when you're capable... if you're carrying, of course it involves using your gun. Using your gun and shooting it are not always the same thing. That is something I'm sure you're trained on. I'm plenty aware of due process and I used the word pickpocket instead of robbery because I'm quite sure of the difference. Your original post read that all criminals should be shot dead. I'll chalk it up to being lost in translation. Good day to you, sir.

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If you a pull a gun you intend to use it. You my friend have proven you have zero knowledge on the subject. Drawing a firearm with intent to scare is a slippery slope.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

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i love this.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

This, is an annoying bunch of crap.

My daughter was taught from a young age about guns. She knows what they can do, she also knows the rules we have with guns, and she knows we have them in our house. We hunt, and she understands that as well. She knows what to do should she ever come across one here or where ever. Personally I believe them being educated about them is much better off. Rather than the kid who has never seen one, knows nothing about them, and is curious. Boom, there's your accident. All you people that don't want guns in your house, go right ahead. I'll keep mine.


Oh, and the Happy Meal is WAY worse.


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I think I love you doc! I preach to both my kids what to do if they ever see a gun. My six year old knows,
1. Don't go near it or let a friend go near it. 2. Go get an adult NOW! 3. Don't go near it again!

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Originally Posted by Seanjackmc

Drawing a firearm with intent to scare is a slippery slope.

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Here is where civilians carrying firearms around town can get dicey. Law enforcement are trained in progression of force. Firing a weapon being the last possible step. Joe blow down the street see's a guy running off with his neighbors tv and shoots him in the back. Joe blow is going to jail.

On my way home I recalled a few more incidents that only support my decision to carry a gun (if I had a permit to do so... I don't carry a gun since I don't have that permit)... one of my neighbors has been shot in a home invasion robbery. He even showed me his scars. When I was growing up a neighbor's house was shot up (drug deal gone bad?) while my sister and I were trying to sleep in our beds on the same side of the house that incident occurred. One day I came home from school to my babysitter's house only to find out a man down the street had been murdered. I saw the crowd of people, and was then told to go inside and stay inside by my babysitter.

Bad things happen all the time. Carrying a gun doesn't guarantee you'll be safe and never be harmed, but it does help level out the playing field. When the criminals know civilians are carrying, they will think twice about their actions, because they know there's a chance they won't come out of it. However carrying a gun also involves a certain amount of responsibility. The person carrying should be trained and knowledgeable about their weapon. They should be well trained enough that the chance of someone taking their gun to use it against them is unlikely at best. This also goes for guns kept in the house: the individual owning it should be trained to use it, and competent and confident enough to use it. The gun should also be stored properly to prevent accidental discharge, and if there are children in the house, the gun needs to be kept where the children cannot find it and play with it AND the children need to be taught proper gun safety and handling.

Guns are a tool. Cars kill people too, and can be used as a weapon. I'm honestly far more concerned about being injured or killed in a car accident than I am of being mugged, raped, or murdered (especially with the way people in this city drive!). That concern doesn't stop me from driving, but it also doesn't mean I drive unprepared. In order to lessen my chance of being involved in an accident, I've learned to be ever observant of those drivers around me, and anticipate them messing up. That's saved me from an accident more times than I could count. If I were permitted to carry a gun, doing so would be preparation for that very small chance I would become a victim of a crime.

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Originally Posted by Rob

Here is where civilians carrying firearms around town can get dicey. Law enforcement are trained in progression of force. Firing a weapon being the last possible step. Joe blow down the street see's a guy running off with his neighbors tv and shoots him in the back. Joe blow is going to jail.

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You misunderstood. If you see a guy running down the road with your t.v. Why would you draw your gun? I'm not talking about John Wayne stuff here. I'm saying if I feel threatened enough to draw my firearm I intend to pull the trigger. I would never draw a weapon to scare someone.

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Originally Posted by Seanjackmc

You misunderstood. If you see a guy running down the road with your t.v. Why would you draw your gun? I'm not talking about John Wayne stuff here. I'm saying if I feel threatened enough to draw my firearm I intend to pull the trigger. I would never draw a weapon to scare someone.

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Lol because that was an actual news story when I was living down in Texas.

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Originally Posted by Rob

Lol because that was an actual news story when I was living down in Texas.

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Yeah there are some bad apples out there. In my cpl class we covered all sorts of topics. Main point was if you are not in danger let the bad guy go. Big difference.

Correction- it was Texas so the guy walked.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/t/story?id...261806%2Cd.b2I

I want to go shooting.

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