All Women Should Read This

raven, you're an ass.

Cat, you do whatever you need to to be comfortable. It's NEVER the girls fault. I have taught this to my offspring and I learned it myself back in the long ago.

There is no formula for a rapist, but it's good to know some things to look out for.

I warn my female offspring fairly often to be careful and watch everyone and to listen to that little voice.

I'm a big somewhat scary man and I've seen the look of fear in a woman's eye when I'm in a parking lot or happen to be going the same way on the path at the beach, even at the gym. I don't ever say anything, but I'm glad it's there because they're WATCHING. I'm never insulted because there are some real asswipes out there that get off on hurting girls. It makes all of us guys look bad, but it is FAR better to be safe than sorry.

raven, if it were in my power I'd boot your sorry ass out of here, but alas, it is not. However, I do despise you and your position whole heartedly. Until you've been through it, you're talking out your ass, you're just plain ignorant of the facts because you don't like them.

If you left raven, not a tear would be shed. Ever. Please go away and don't come back.

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Originally Posted by Salamander

What if the victim is 10 years old and their parents have basically told them to STFU about it because if 'trouble in the family' happens because they opened their mouth they're going to be 'disowned'?

What 10 year old is emotionally equipped to handle that?

What happens later when the 10 year old is grown up and the rest of the extended family is consolidated in 'protecting' the pedo to make sure the pedo's wife is not "hurt"?

Do you have any idea what living with that kind of conspiracy to reward guilt and punish innocence does to a person?

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Yes. And no one should have to go through that. I'm sorry that one of my counterparts did that and I truly hope that a horrific life is his.

You have no fault, no child, no woman does. Some of us believe this truly and pass it on to our offspring and those who would listen. There are good men out there, it's just terrible that so many can't trust enough to see them.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

It happened to my mother, though she was a great deal younger. You know what she did? She worked through her issues. Although, she didn't say anything because she knew that if her father found out, he'd kill the person responsible.

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Great for her. This doesn't mean that everyone has the same capabilities of dealing with stress, guilt, anger, shame and anything else that comes with a sexual assault.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Rape/molestation is a crime and should be treated as such, which means reporting it. The burden is on the victim to report it. Just like it's on a homeowner to report that their house has been broken into, or someone who has witnessed a murder.

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Where do you get this crap? Do you have ANY idea what goes on in the mind of someone who's been attacked? How can you be so narrow minded? It has to be willful. You must simply be looking for an argument. Perhaps you have a psych class you need to write a paper for because you stance is so bloody stupid that I have a hard time believing you can dress yourself if this is truly what you think.

This is a STELLAR article that I saw circulating Facebook called "A Letter to the Guy Who Harassed Me Outside the Bar".

http://www.rolereboot.org/culture-an...utside-the-bar

"So what? You say. So you get a lot of attention, why is that such a bad thing? Annoying, maybe, but no harm, no foul! You know you mean no harm, but how do I know that? When women get harassed on the street, or at a bar, or on their walk home from work, do you know what we think? We wonder, am I going to get out of this safely? Am I going to walk away from this? Where are my keys if I need to stab someone in the eye? Are there people on the street? Will they hear me? Which way will I run? Solar Plexus, Instep, Nose, Groin. I’m exaggerating, but only so slightly. Does it disturb you that we think like this? That we have to think like this?"

Eh, I barely know what goes on in my own mind half the time. Also, I'm a science major, actually. Psych was taken way back a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Rob

lonely loser .

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I believe this is close enough to warrant this:
http://youtu.be/Z5KWI71s3DY

LRB, yea!

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

This is a STELLAR article that I saw circulating Facebook called "A Letter to the Guy Who Harassed Me Outside the Bar".

http://www.rolereboot.org/culture-an...utside-the-bar

"So what? You say. So you get a lot of attention, why is that such a bad thing? Annoying, maybe, but no harm, no foul! You know you mean no harm, but how do I know that? When women get harassed on the street, or at a bar, or on their walk home from work, do you know what we think? We wonder, am I going to get out of this safely? Am I going to walk away from this? Where are my keys if I need to stab someone in the eye? Are there people on the street? Will they hear me? Which way will I run? Solar Plexus, Instep, Nose, Groin. I’m exaggerating, but only so slightly. Does it disturb you that we think like this? That we have to think like this?"

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I think it sucks. I think it's a reality and I really resent that any woman, or man for that matter, has to feel weaker or like a potential victim, that anyone has to watch out for the bad guy just because you're a girl or small or whatever makes you feel like harm could come your way from anyone.

Ladies, ignore the idiots and take care of yourselves. White Knights are rare, but they are out there. Sadly, pissants are a dime a dozen and they're everywhere. Don't let anything here discourage you from being careful.

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Originally Posted by Salamander

What if the victim is 10 years old and their parents have basically told them to STFU about it because if 'trouble in the family' happens because they opened their mouth they're going to be 'disowned'?

What 10 year old is emotionally equipped to handle that?

What happens later when the 10 year old is grown up and the rest of the extended family is consolidated in 'protecting' the pedo to make sure the pedo's wife is not "hurt"?

Do you have any idea what living with that kind of conspiracy to reward guilt and punish innocence does to a person?

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Then the adults in that situation are complicit.
Making them guilty as well as the actual offender.

Come on people, not enough ill informed foolish people have called me names yet today. I am sure someone can find something offensive in that.

Though I'm not female, I, and now I make my wife, carry the maximum legal length knife possible. We both carry 4" SOG Trident, I really wanted a Camillus Beast, but it's 4.1" and that's technically not legal. I had my great uncle teach me and then my wife how to knife fight too. So, I have a big knife and know how to use it.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Then the adults in that situation are complicit.
Making them guilty as well as the actual offender.

Come on people, not enough ill informed foolish people have called me names yet today. I am sure someone can find something offensive in that.

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You see, the thing about "calling me names" that you're missing, no doubt due to your overwhelming knowledge of human psychosis, is that sometimes the names are apt, they fit, they describe accurately. Every word I've used to describe you, no matter what you call that word, aptly describes you. No matter how you justify what you say, you are still reprehensible, rude, uninformed and ill prepared.

Of course, were this a coffee house, late at night, full of other young with no real life experience students, your peers, I'm sure you would have plenty siding with you. This, this site and the people here though, this is real life. These are things that have happened to people and your casual dismissal and easy 'you should do this, they should do that' is an insult to everyone, but most especially those who have, unasked, shared some of the horror they've experienced in order to help others NOT have the same experiences.

You're more the dog's leftover on the sidewalk, unacknowledged, yet wet and stinky, by the dog's owner because it's easier not to deal with what life hands you.

I love you Liv. :)

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Originally Posted by wilomn

raven, you're an ass.

1./ Cat, you do whatever you need to to be comfortable. It's NEVER the girls fault. I have taught this to my offspring and I learned it myself back in the long ago.

2./ There is no formula for a rapist, but it's good to know some things to look out for.

3./ I warn my female offspring fairly often to be careful and watch everyone and to listen to that little voice.

4./ I'm a big somewhat scary man and I've seen the look of fear in a woman's eye when I'm in a parking lot or happen to be going the same way on the path at the beach, even at the gym. I don't ever say anything, but I'm glad it's there because they're WATCHING. I'm never insulted because there are some real asswipes out there that get off on hurting girls. It makes all of us guys look bad, but it is FAR better to be safe than sorry.

5./ raven, if it were in my power I'd boot your sorry ass out of here, but alas, it is not. However, I do despise you and your position whole heartedly. Until you've been through it, you're talking out your ass, you're just plain ignorant of the facts because you don't like them.

6./ If you left raven, not a tear would be shed. Ever. Please go away and don't come back.

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1. Wrong. I will point you to the BBC radio program indicating that 40% of the rapists of women in the DRC(which happens to be the rape capital of the world) are other women. The sex of a person has ZERO to do with right or wrong.
2. Then your little crappy pop-psych BS list does nothing other than fear-monger and perhaps some actual real harm but having someone think they are safe following that trash when they are not.
3. I feel rather sorry for any male offspring you have then. I prefer to try to teach both of my kids to be safe.
4. This is extra dumb. De-humanizing stereo-types have always been the precursor to real world oppression of identifiably different people. Just ask German Jews how well "not minding BS claims about them" worked out.
5. I doubt we ever have to fear you having that option. Who was the fool posting pop-psych feminist claptrap on a pet forum in the 1st place?
6. I am sure a few less intelligent people would be overjoyed. But, there are no doubt others that agree with me in principal if not everything I might say.

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Originally Posted by liv

Since you're asking, I'll have a go at it:

You're an egotistical twat with an ass for a brain and a turd for a heart. You are as pathetic as you are stupid. Your entitlement and stunning lack of empathy are only dwarfed by the farts that you call "logic" coming out of your mouth.

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Raven listen buddy if you need someone to talk to brother I'm here, because its clear liv just raped you. :p

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Originally Posted by Raptor

It happened to my mother, though she was a great deal younger. You know what she did? She worked through her issues. Although, she didn't say anything because she knew that if her father found out, he'd kill the person responsible.

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Wish I'd had a dad like that.

Instead, it's his best buddy.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

I love you Liv. :)

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dibs!

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Originally Posted by Rob

Raven listen buddy if you need someone to talk to brother I'm here, because its clear liv just raped you. :p

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Now you are in for it.
Rape jokes? You may have just become BP.net's Tosh.O.

Nah, It is cool. Juvenile insults are like water off a ducks back.
Curious that there haven't been a metric tonne of warnings issued over the behaviour though.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Yes. And no one should have to go through that. I'm sorry that one of my counterparts did that and I truly hope that a horrific life is his.

You have no fault, no child, no woman does. Some of us believe this truly and pass it on to our offspring and those who would listen. There are good men out there, it's just terrible that so many can't trust enough to see them.

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Thank you.

My whole life has been a quest of finding a guy who'd believe what I said simply because I said it.

I don't have words to express what is done to your mind when your parents ask "What did you do to provoke this?" when you're so little and ignorant of 'sex' that you really don't understand even the concept of such things, yet.

Times have changed so dramatically...10 year olds today understand things I didn't learn about until I was 14.

I'm sad that they have to learn that early but in a way, it might be for the best.

Rob's way funnier than Tosh. So am i.

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Originally Posted by liv

Since you're asking, I'll have a go at it:

You're an egotistical twat with an ass for a brain and a turd for a heart. You are as pathetic as you are stupid. Your entitlement and stunning lack of empathy are only dwarfed by the farts that you call "logic" coming out of your mouth.

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He's also someone with a lot of pride who's currently defending an indefensible position and cannot back down graciously due to ego issues.
So, the 'fight' will go on until he shuts up, is shut up by mods or, most unlikely, we all reach a consensus supporting his view.

This is going to be a very long thread.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Though I'm not female, I, and now I make my wife, carry the maximum legal length knife possible. We both carry 4" SOG Trident, I really wanted a Camillus Beast, but it's 4.1" and that's technically not legal. I had my great uncle teach me and then my wife how to knife fight too. So, I have a big knife and know how to use it.

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I carry an 11" Beltrame switch.

If my life is in peril, I'll worry about it being "illegal" later.

At least I'll be alive to do so.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Now you are in for it.
Rape jokes? You may have just become BP.net's Tosh.O.

Nah, It is cool. Juvenile insults are like water off a ducks back.
Curious that there haven't been a metric tonne of warnings issued over the behaviour though.

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Lol good job trying to avert the attention over to me. Kid, you made originally made some very dumb comments. You can try to talk your way out of it, but some points are not debatable. Your better off just tucking your tail and moving on to another thread.
O and thanks for the compliment, I think tosh.0 is great.

I'm quite ashamed that there are people who still think like this in my country.

Deportation to Siberia is warranted.

I haven't seen many of your posts but, so far I agree that Rob does indeed seem to be funnier than Tosh.

I have to say that in a way, Raven STARTED OUT right in that they SHOULD be reported because the culprit deserves to have his stronger-word-for-butt destroyed in court and subsequently in prison.

BUT I also think that that's something only a person who it's never happened to can say. You probably think you know what you'll do, but it hardly ever goes according to a plan. What if they have a gun or some other weapon? What if there's more than one of them? What if it's someone you know? A stranger? What if you call for help but no one comes? What if you can't overpower them? Will anyone believe you if you say something? I think I have a solid plan on how to stop an assailant, but I won't know if it would ACTUALLY work until I was put in the situation (which I hope and pray will never happen).


Raven01, I think if you've never been a victim, you shouldn't go around telling other victims how to feel, what to do, or how to deal with it. I highly doubt you're an all-knowing guru who's "wisdom" will MAGICALLY make everything they've gone through better. You started out with an okay (yet horribly stated) point, but now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, which is belittling to everything these people have gone through. And why are you arguing statistics? It won't make someone go "well gee thanks, it all makes sense now! Everything I've gone through has suddenly become no big deal because YOU STATED A STATISTIC OR A RADIO SHOW."

NO ONE DESERVES TO BE ASSAULTED. Women, men, Caucasians, African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Easterners, heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals, old, young, skimpily dressed, fully clothed, rich, poor, drunk, sober, or where you live... Nothing magically grants someone the right to hurt someone else. People aren't statistics, they're human beings and you're just being so disgustingly disrespectful now.

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

I have to say that in a way, Raven STARTED OUT right in that they SHOULD be reported because the culprit deserves to have his stronger-word-for-butt destroyed in court and subsequently in prison.

BUT I also think that that's something only a person who it's never happened to can say. You probably think you know what you'll do, but it hardly ever goes according to a plan.

Raven01, I think if you've never been a victim, you shouldn't go around telling other victims how to feel, what to do, or how to deal with it. I highly doubt you're an all-knowing guru who's "wisdom" will MAGICALLY make everything they've gone through better. You started out with an okay (yet horribly stated) point, but now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing

NO ONE DESERVES TO BE ASSAULTED. Women, men, Caucasians, African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Easterners, heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals, old, young, skimpily dressed, fully clothed, rich, poor, drunk, sober, or where you live... Nothing magically grants someone the right to hurt someone else. People aren't statistics, they're human beings and you're just being so disgustingly disrespectful now.

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Where did I ever state that I do not have exactly the experience you say I should have to make such statements?
No where. I just think that a pet forum is not the place to disclose such things.
Starting with you bold text +1. You nailed it.
And, for the record I was not "attacking" any "victim".
I was correcting the stupid statement that all men deserve to be treated as criminals because some criminals are men. And, I stated that any grown woman should KNOW without reservation if she has been assaulted or not. If they are confused then it is 99% unlikely that they were.

Also, I only have respect for those that show it. Personal attacks as have been happening do not deserve a respectful response. You don't see me using derogatory terms versus people so much as versus bigoted ideas and actions do you?

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Originally Posted by Raven01

And, I stated that any grown woman should KNOW without reservation if she has been assaulted or not. If they are confused then it is 99% unlikely that they were.

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Lol, okay, Mr. Prove it, prove to me that if someone is confused of their assault, 99% of the time it wasn't actually assault.

Where are your sources to back THAT up?

I hope that you never have to go through the experience of being confused and shameful about your assault if you are ever the victim of one, and someone else telling you that it wasn't assault.

I mentor people that "do not know" what it is that happened to them. Most of the scenarios are like: "he undressed me and was kissing me, but I wasn't comfortable with anything more so I said 'no', yet he still went on".
These women are confused as to whether or not they were raped because they wanted everything up until when they said "no", and the answer is, yes, they were.

Confusion in no way, means that the victim was no actually assaulted or as you like to say: a "REAL" victim.

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Originally Posted by Salamander

I carry an 11" Beltrame switch.

If my life is in peril, I'll worry about it being "illegal" later.

At least I'll be alive to do so.

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Yeah, I suppose that's true. I keep my knife on me at all times, it's never not in my pocket. I've never had to use it nor my wife and ideally it stays that way.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Where did I ever state that I do not have exactly the experience you say I should have to make such statements?
No where. I just think that a pet forum is not the place to disclose such things.
Starting with you bold text +1. You nailed it.
And, for the record I was not "attacking" any "victim".
I was correcting the stupid statement that all men deserve to be treated as criminals because some criminals are men. And, I stated that any grown woman should KNOW without reservation if she has been assaulted or not. If they are confused then it is 99% unlikely that they were.

Also, I only have respect for those that show it. Personal attacks as have been happening do not deserve a respectful response. You don't see me using derogatory terms versus people so much as versus bigoted ideas and actions do you?

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The problem comes when they expressed OBVIOUS unhappiness to your comments. At that point, you could've just said "sorry if I made you feel bad" or even NOTHING AT ALL and just walked away. IT'S THEIR FEELINGS; just because YOU think what you say is okay doesn't mean everyone else will feel the same. But you kept arguing against them. From a third party, it LOOKS like you're attacking/belittling/talking down to people here. And then ASKING for more people to insult you because "not enough people have had a go at you" crossed the line into just being a complete and utter jerkwad.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Where did I ever state that I do not have exactly the experience you say I should have to make such statements?
No where. I just think that a pet forum is not the place to disclose such things.
Starting with you bold text +1. You nailed it.
And, for the record I was not "attacking" any "victim".
I was correcting the stupid statement that all men deserve to be treated as criminals because some criminals are men. And, I stated that any grown woman should KNOW without reservation if she has been assaulted or not. If they are confused then it is 99% unlikely that they were.

Also, I only have respect for those that show it. Personal attacks as have been happening do not deserve a respectful response. You don't see me using derogatory terms versus people so much as versus bigoted ideas and actions do you?

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-So your saying you were a victim of rape?
- Yes this is a pet forum, but if you will notice there are areas for all kinds of discussion.
-Yes you came off basically calling her a liar and she wasn't really a victim.
-Agreed all men should not be looked at as criminals.
-A grown women could very easily be taken advantage of in a doctors office, with out knowing 100% what happened.
-Any "personal attacks" on you, you should see coming a mile away when you spout off calling people's bluff about being raped.

Are you seriously suggesting that a grown adult without any mental handicaps, could be unaware as to whether or not they have been assaulted?
Here is a small exercise, apply that to any other crime that by nature involves physical contact.
Would you be "unaware" that you had been sprayed with paint by some PETA clown upset that you keep snakes?
Or after being beaten and robbed be "unsure" of what happened.
Don't be all butt-hurt about being identified as sexist for your view that men should be assumed to be criminals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n7nXCd73AE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iVzIGM9Bcs

I'm really curious as to how old you are and what level of education you have, just because I feel like it is IMPOSSIBLE to be this ignorant when one has gone through post-secondary schooling. Especially in Canada.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Are you seriously suggesting that a grown adult without any mental handicaps, could be unaware as to whether or not they have been assaulted?]

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In the case of rape, which is the most complex of crimes yes.
Especially in a doctors office. It could be very hard to distinguish what is simple medical checking and "is this guy getting off on this".

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Originally Posted by CatandDiallo

I'm really curious as to how old you are and what level of education you have.

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41, I attended Univeristy of Waterloo(Honours Science Program II Pre-Med), Durham College(Whitby Campus) and Sheridan College in Oakville.

As an aside, I can totally see how some victims might be "confused" as to whether they were assaulted or not. Say you go to a gynecologist (there ARE male gynecologists out there, and even other women could sexually assault another woman); you feel uncomfortable but this is their JOB, so you think "maybe I'm just over-thinking things" or "maybe I'm just too hyper-aware".

Or say you met a hot guy/girl at the bar. You DID want to make out with them and play around a little, but you started second-guessing it and said no but they didn't listen. And you think "is it assault when I started it?" or "will OTHER people classify it as assault or will they say it was mutual consent since I was okay with it at the beginning?"

Confused doesn't necessarily mean "I don't understand what happened", it can mean "if I started out wanting it/it's technically a 'medical procedure'/whatever, can it be assault?"


The answer is YES, but a lot of people want to hear someone say "no, you're just over-thinking things" because they don't want to believe it happened to them. It's like being in a state of shock; you've heard about it happening, but never believed it could happen to YOU.

At this point raving is just looking to keep the argument going.

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I recommend everyone give it a try.

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41, I attended Univeristy of Waterloo(Honours Science Program II Pre-Med), Durham College(Whitby Campus) and Sheridan College in Oakville.

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And your a millwright?

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Originally Posted by Rob

In the case of rape, which is the most complex of crimes yes.
Especially in a doctors office. It could be very hard to distinguish what is simple medical checking and "is this guy getting off on this".

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No it isn't. We lack the specifics to make that call but, you cannot claim that something which is unprovable is a crime. i.e. A doctor may think "Nice rack" while performing an exam and do nothing about it. This is unlikely in the first place, since when it is clinical it is in no way sexual, much the same as breastfeeding is totally non-sexual.
If there were acts of in appropriate touching (something concrete) or even proposals of dates etc, then you have something concrete and an abuse of position ( which leads to these being punishable offenses).

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And your a millwright?

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Yep.
This is the very reason why actually.
The insurance as a family GP is unreal and your career can be ended for rebuffing a womans advances if she chooses to go this route.

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Originally Posted by Rob

In the case of rape, which is the most complex of crimes yes.
Especially in a doctors office. It could be very hard to distinguish what is simple medical checking and "is this guy getting off on this".

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Oh, one thing that I know it wasn't was simple medical checking. This doctor knew exactly what he was doing.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

41, I attended Univeristy of Waterloo(Honours Science Program II Pre-Med), Durham College(Whitby Campus) and Sheridan College in Oakville.

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Incredible how one can have so much Education yet be so ignorant, especially when various people are trying to explain to you what they mean.

Incroyable.

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Originally Posted by Rob

In the case of rape, which is the most complex of crimes yes.
Especially in a doctors office. It could be very hard to distinguish what is simple medical checking and "is this guy getting off on this".

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I can easily understand why she can't explain if it was rape or not. It's a DOCTOR! You're supposed to be able to trust them and feel comfortable with them.

It's easy not to know if that lingering touch, or the perverted stares are your imagination or if your doctor is taking too much pleasure over something he/she shouldnt.

A lot of people who have been sexually assaulted from doctors don't know what to call it.

I don't know if I'm expressing myself the way I want to :/

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Originally Posted by Raven01

No it isn't. We lack the specifics to make that call but, you cannot claim that something which is unprovable is a crime. i.e. A doctor may think "Nice rack" while performing an exam and do nothing about it. This is unlikely in the first place, since when it is clinical it is in no way sexual, much the same as breastfeeding is totally non-sexual.
If there were acts of in appropriate touching (something concrete) or even proposals of dates etc, then you have something concrete and an abuse of position ( which leads to these being punishable offenses).

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I get your going to continue to argue your point, I'm hoping for your sake that's all your doing and you don't actually believe the half-witted bs your typing. But your so far from factually and morally correct on this thread.

Not to detract from the seriousness of the discussion, but if I was a woman I don't think I'd ever be comfortable at a gynecologist. Either is think the guy IS getting off on it, or with my luck it'd be the hard core hasntgotany lesbian and it'd be just as if not more worried.

It takes a special person to be a woman, that's for sure.

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a little off subject, but for all you women who have been taken advantage of and are now hesitant towards all men, i pray you one day find that man who changes your outlook on us and makes you feel safe, as we should.

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Originally Posted by Rob

I get your going to continue to argue your point, I'm hoping for your sake that's all your doing and you don't actually believe the half-witted bs your typing. But your so far from factually and morally correct on this thread.

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Straw men arguments are the last refuge in a lost debate.

Ignore this person.

It has no point and I wonder about its motives as the sign up date is remarkably 'fresh'.

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It's very possible for a grown adult to not know whether what happened to them was "sexual assault" or not. Just like my example of "It was a party and I didn't want to, but he pulled me into a bedroom" doesn't always make a person think of rape... even though it is. Especially for a man, who might think "Well I had sex, so I should just be glad I got laid" even if he DIDN'T want to have sex and was forced into it somehow.

In a medical setting, a doctor can do plenty that might seem like borderline assault or legitimate. Or someone in a setting like a dental chair gets groped, did they get groped or did the dentist just "brush" them repeatedly? What about someone who is a professional, in a professional setting that grabs inappropriately repeatedly, but keeps acting like he did nothing wrong and doesn't understand your protests? Since they are the DOCTOR(or boss, or whatever status they have), you begin to second guess whether YOU are being unreasonable.

In any setting, I do not think "leering" qualifies as assault. Sorry, but for me personally, I'm not going to say someone assaulted me just because they gave me dirty looks, doctor, bar or street. This is of course MY opinion, with MY body on the line.

And last time I got a mamogram, my doctor and the techs were almost overly careful about not touching or seeing anything they did not NEED to for the exam. It amused me, because honestly at one point, the doctor was going to leave the room just so I could adjust my paper gown and I blurted out "Really? You're a boob doctor, I'm sure you've seen better than mine... I'm not worried." I was impressed with how sensitive they were, it just amused me because I'm not very body shy.

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1. The Milgram Experiment is not precisely the same issue as being discussed, but it does address the changes in psycholgoy regarding a person in a position of authority, or a person in a position that society typically trusts.


2. Check out this too. It's a simple google search for "How many definitions of sexual assault are there?" Take a look. Not only is a sexual assault traumatizing and confusing regarding understanding exactly what happened, and the emotions or reactions to the assault, the very definitions vary. And you're telling everybody that it's clear cut and obvious? Stupid.