Beginings of a new morph.

lol might as well keep it interesting since the thread was ruined along time ago.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

the snake was purchased without knowing what it might be, regardless of what it looks like.

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You purchased the snake not knowing what it was. That does not make the rest of us who do know what it is idiots. How many people does it take telling you the same thing before you drop this pride of authorship?

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

by me it is a new morph even if its just in my camp.

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Your camp is the one place that it is a new morph, I'll give you that :gj:

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Originally Posted by cmack91

Maybe I miss cointed, the fifth pic down.

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i see what you mean was looking in the wrong spot, thanks. i didn't mind hatching any of them and would of payed for either one.

No offense to staff here because it's no fault of theirs, but -

Why do so many that hang out here have so much trouble spotting pastels? :rofl:

And now it's het genetic stripe too? :8:

Shoot. Outta popcorn. *tear*

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

the thread was ruined along time ago.

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Can you please point to the post # where that happened :confused:

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Originally Posted by Slim

You purchased the snake not knowing what it was. That does not make the rest of us who do know what it is idiots. How many people does it take telling you the same thing before you drop this pride of authorship?





Your camp is the one place that it is a new morph, I'll give you that :gj:

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no one stated you where an idiot, but you do come off as 1/4 jerk, 1/4 know it all, 1/4 arrogant and 1/4 something else.. hey but that's just my expert opinion..

and if you put onions on a burger and tell me its cheese, it still wont change the fact that your, well your just you buddy.

the pride was dropped a long time ago, now im just pointing out that your a low grade human, with bad social skills and napoleon complex.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Can you please point to the post # where that happened :confused:

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X2, I find this thread vety interesting, not ruined at all.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Can you please point to the post # where that happened :confused:

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right about here. give or take an "expert"

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Originally Posted by Slim

After seeing a close up of his eyes, I say what you have is not a new morph, but another take on one of the oldest ones. He looks like a Pastel to me...maybe a new, darker, less yellow line of Pastel, but Pastel just the same.

Good luck with you efforts.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

now im just pointing out that your a low grade human, with bad social skills and napoleon complex.

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There is absolutly no need for words like this.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

no one stated you where an idiot, but you do come off as 1/4 jerk, 1/4 know it all, 1/4 arrogant and 1/4 something else.. hey but that's just my expert opinion..

and if you put onions on a burger and tell me its cheese, it still wont change the fact that your, well your just you buddy.

the pride was dropped a long time ago, now im just pointing out that your a low grade human, with bad social skills and napoleon complex.

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See, now we're getting somewhere! An open dialogue is the best form of communication! :rofl::rofl:

Low Grade Human...Classic :D

But I'm the one with bad social skills BWAHHHHHWAHHHH

Oh man, this is true gold ;)

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Originally Posted by Shadera

Why do so many that hang out here have so much trouble spotting pastels? :rofl:

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Possibly thread worthy all to its own...seriously...and that goes far beyond the misidentification of a pastel by the OP in this thread alone.

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Originally Posted by Slim

See, now we're getting somewhere! An open dialogue is the best form of communication! :rofl::rofl:

Low Grade Human...Classic :D

But I'm the one with bad social skills BWAHHHHHWAHHHH

Oh man, this is true gold ;)

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lol still love ya tho.. thanks for the input.

Are all these animals on your website yours? If not, I don't see any photo credits. I do see some water marks that are certainly not yours...

http://www.hccmorphs.com/index.html

EDIT: I also archived a copy of the website in case you decide to do some late night web page work to cover your tracks.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

thank you, you hit the nail on the head with that statement, the snake was purchased without knowing what it might be, regardless of what it looks like. i put the time, effort and money into proving what it was. like countless of other people who take on dinkerer's ( just made that word up also by the way) hope to do. to me until proven other wise, by me it is a new morph even if its just in my camp.

the point of the original post was for some constructive input, not for the "experts" to rip my snake or me apart with comments like, low grade pastel etc..ect.., so of course im gonna go on the defensive!

it doesn't matter what it is, they are nice snakes an will produce and if it is the new holy grail hopefully the haters have 10 grand to spend, if not it keeps me entertained lol..

"conforming to the views of the masses makes you a follower, thinking outside the box makes you an innovator." ( and made that up also)

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I'm sorry but the part that worries me is that you purchased the snake not knowing what it might be. How can you not look at the snake and not think browed out pastel? If I saw that posted on Craigslist as a normal I wouldn't look at it and think "new morph". I would look at it and think "browed out pastel" and that the person selling it doesn't know what they are doing.

This one's for his supporters. :gj: There's more, but I would hope this is enough for the hard-headed to see that some of us just have the communities' best interest in mind when we go after a troll. People are always complaining about all the trolls and scumbags in the hobby, but when a few of us call them out we want to be all unicorn farts and hugs.

Shot off the guy's front page slideshow:
http://www.hccmorphs.com/uploads/1/0...56885_orig.jpg

(Screenshot of the image in case he removes it)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...20Pics/azk.jpg

NERD's original photo:
http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/in...-axanthic.html
(middle picture, top row)

Surely just an honest mistake, right? If we close our eyes, maybe it will go away ... :rolleyes:

HCC, let's just pretend this is an email, me emailing you. Nobody else will see it. Here is what I would say, edited of course.

You are out of your mind!
You bought a collection of Balls, but you cannot identify a Pastel? You have about the worst grammar and spelling I have seen, don't capitalize words, and you have the gaul to call people out on their spelling. Payed? Really!?!
Let me give you an analogy of what you have done. You have driven a Chevette up to a Ferrari club meeting and said you have a barn find Ferrari. When the educated club members tell you you have an old Chevy, you get defensive, and tell them they do not know what they are talking about.
Your adult snake looks like a Pastel, nothing more and nothing less. You have been told this repeatedly, by 10 or more different people. Do you think they are all calling and emailing eachother, and have some sinister plan to tell you your snake is just a Pastel so they can email you later and buy one of the babies for cheap, and then say, "Ha, sucker, your new morph is a cool new morph, and we suckered you into selling a baby for cheap?"
You sound angry and dillusional. We all have dinkers, most look like something nobody has proven genetic. You cannot call a Pastel a Dinker. Now, if you do not think your Pastel is a Pastel, and think that one orange scale here or there makes it worth keeping back a female baby, to breed to the father, GO FOR IT!
But the way you got defensive, the way you called people out about their spelling when yours is attrocious, is not going to win you any friends.
Please nit pick my post and call me out on any spelling mistakes, I do not care. I am not an English major, English student, nor am I an English teacher.
My advise to you, get out of reptiles and start breeding some dinker albino mouse you find on CL. There is no such thing as an Albino mouse now, so you could start breeding a new morph of mouse, and make millions.

Dave

Guys guys..... Everybody needs to calm down.... Like seriously I can only laugh so much here.. My thanks button is getting worn out here. I keep going through and wanting to multi quote like every other post and agree with everybody haha.. And to the OP... Hey guy... Look we weren't (I know your grammar skills are lacking so I'll tell you that's past tense) trying to make fun of you... We dont do that here. But then you started poking the hornets nest... You had to tell all of us we were wrong when it's clearly just a pastel. We are nice people, we help each other out because the last thing this passion we call herping needs is fighting amongst ourselves... But when you have your head shoved so far up your pastels vent.. It makes it IMPOSSIBLE to get along with you. We tried to be nice, we tried to help you out but when you blow is off you better bend over cause here comes the 12 o'clock train to reality. I mean you really think your a regular Albert Einstein over here making up words and and new ideas... Not to mention you seem to be a morph genius with your new stuff and what not. A word of advice... DROP IT.

But on a side note to the OP... Thank you so much for this thread... It is so much fun to read at 3am when I can't get back to sleep. I mean really who doesn't love a few good late night chuckles haha

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Originally Posted by Shadera

This one's for his supporters. :gj: There's more, but I would hope this is enough for the hard-headed to see that some of us just have the communities' best interest in mind when we go after a troll. People are always complaining about all the trolls and scumbags in the hobby, but when a few of us call them out we want to be all unicorn farts and hugs.

Shot off the guy's front page slideshow:
http://www.hccmorphs.com/uploads/1/0...56885_orig.jpg

(Screenshot of the image in case he removes it)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...20Pics/azk.jpg

NERD's original photo:
http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/in...-axanthic.html
(middle picture, top row)

Surely just an honest mistake, right? If we close our eyes, maybe it will go away ... :rolleyes:

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Lol this just keeps getting better and better, by the way thanks for the free advertising, if you bother to look there is a disclaimer on my site in regards images belonging to other people, nor am I making claim that said snakes are mine. So again thanks for the publicity. And I accepted the fact that it can possibly be nothing 100 posts ago, your tue ones that can't seem to let it go.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Are all these animals on your website yours? If not, I don't see any photo credits. I do see some water marks that are certainly not yours...

http://www.hccmorphs.com/index.html

EDIT: I also archived a copy of the website in case you decide to do some late night web page work to cover your tracks.

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What's your home address so I can mail you a number one supporter t- shirt ?

I agree this whole thing is my fault, not for believing, hoping or thinking it might be a new morph but my mistake was posting it on here. I'm gonna drop the thread not because I'm defeated, but because it was taken out of context and driven In a different direction.. See you guys on the board, thanks for the positive and negative input.

Oh you know what guys? He's probably right.. We all put other people's snake pictures on our website where we are claiming to breed and sell said snakes and then just expect all the customers to know which images we stole and which ones are genuinely our own... Our mistake guy haha dude the crap you keep coming up with.. I gotta admit.. You have some ( )( ) to bring this crap here and keep coming back for more and more. Your a regular old "big guns" (the regulars know who I'm talking about haha) all your missing is talking about yourself in the 3rd person.

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

Oh you know what guys? He's probably right.. We all put other people's snake pictures on our website where we are claiming to breed and sell said snakes and then just expect all the customers to know which images we stole and which ones are genuinely our own... Our mistake guy haha dude the crap you keep coming up with.. I gotta admit.. You have some ( )( ) to bring this crap here and keep coming back for more and more. Your a regular old "big guns" (the regulars know who I'm talking about haha) all your missing is talking about yourself in the 3rd person.

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I'm not sure I see the parallel. the op is just clinging to his erroneous new morph idea. he's certainly not claiming to be privy to a secret that he refuses to divulge regarding the viability of a certain project.

the copyright issues should be fixed (I noticed no disclaimer anywhere on the website), and this thread should be laid to rest.

HCC if this is the disclaimer you are talking about which is located at the bottom of your morph list page...

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All photos are property of their perspective owner's and used solely for descriptive purposes.HCC MORPHS,its affiliates nor partners claim ownership of such.

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Then explain to me how that covers your @ss for stealing and using the photos without permission in the first place? And, let's talk about the NERD watermarked image that you clearly removed the watermark from?

If you want to pick up your balls and just walk away without fixing this, I urge you to reconsider that course of action. This community has a looooong memory. Unless you choose to get out of breeding altogether, you will be called out, and this thread will show up every time you claim a breeding success, post a picture, or try to conduct an internet transaction. (Ever heard of the BOI? If not you should ask somebody)

In fact, your best course of action right now, at this very minute, would be to take any photo you don't have permission to use off your web site right now. Next step would be to take off any textual info that is not your intellectual property (you know what I'm talking about). Once you have your website cleaned up, you need to come here, fall on your sword and start over again.

Your reputation is not yet beyond repair. Please take my advice before it becomes so.

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Originally Posted by Slim

http://www.hccmorphs.com/index.html

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Why do so many people in this hobby, who have no idea what the hell they're doing, feel the uncontrollable urge to create a website and become an over-night professional???

Sorry about the off-topic...just a pet peeve of mine...

Let the slap-fight continue...:)

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Originally Posted by sho220

Why do so many people in this hobby, who have no idea what the hell they're doing, feel the uncontrollable urge to create a website and become an over-night professional???

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I imagine it's the same reason a lot of guys think buying a tap out shirt makes them a fighter.

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Originally Posted by Rob

I imagine it's the same reason a lot of guys think buying a tap out shirt makes them a fighter.

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Like this guy... http://jalopnik.com/5907665/this-man...er-mans-wheels

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Originally Posted by sho220

Like this guy... http://jalopnik.com/5907665/this-man...er-mans-wheels

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What a POS, too much jersey shore.

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Originally Posted by Rob

What a POS, too much jersey shore.

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You mean it's not a natural reaction to punch a guy in the face twice putting him into a coma for complimenting your car's wheels?

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Originally Posted by Slim

HCC if this is the disclaimer you are talking about which is located at the bottom of your morph list page...



Then explain to me how that covers your @ss for stealing and using the photos without permission in the first place? And, let's talk about the NERD watermarked image that you clearly removed the watermark from?

If you want to pick up your balls and just walk away without fixing this, I urge you to reconsider that course of action. This community has a looooong memory. Unless you choose to get out of breeding altogether, you will be called out, and this thread will show up every time you claim a breeding success, post a picture, or try to conduct an internet transaction. (Ever heard of the BOI? If not you should ask somebody)

In fact, your best course of action right now, at this very minute, would be to take any photo you don't have permission to use off your web site right now. Next step would be to take off any textual info that is not your intellectual property (you know what I'm talking about). Once you have your website cleaned up, you need to come here, fall on your sword and start over again.

Your reputation is not yet beyond repair. Please take my advice before it becomes so.

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You are way too kind Slim...If this was a car the op just drove it over the cliff

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

Lol this just keeps getting better and better, by the way thanks for the free advertising, if you bother to look there is a disclaimer on my site in regards images belonging to other people, nor am I making claim that said snakes are mine. So again thanks for the publicity. And I accepted the fact that it can possibly be nothing 100 posts ago, your tue ones that can't seem to let it go.

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And if you had bothered to look on the breeders' sites that you stole those images from, you'd see that most of them have it right out there in plain sight that none of their stuff is to be used without their written permission. Your tiny fine print doesn't make it okay.

So you're saying you have Kevin's permission to have those few photos of his on your homepage slideshow that you've kindly removed his watermark from? I looked at each, and they've all had watermarks removed.

There is so much more on that site that's just wrong, from more stolen pictures to outright erroneous care info.

Know what kind of person removes the watermarks on another breeder's photos? It sure don't make them the big playa they think they are.

And I agree, Slim is way too sweet sometimes. But I still like the guy. ;)

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

You are way too kind Slim...If this was a car the op just drove it over the cliff

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Originally Posted by Shadera

And I agree, Slim is way too sweet sometimes. But I still like the guy. ;)

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LOL, I'm just trying to get HCC to do the right thing and explain his actions. There is a part of me that thinks the guy just has too much thrust and not enough vector, and may not fully understand the implications of what he's done by putting those images on his site.

I think his next post on this subject, or lack of one, will tell the tale.

im gonna go with... hes going to como out and talk about how he is in the right and hes conducted no shady activity.. blah blah blah.. whatever man.. the gig is up at this point.

wow what a thread!

Just wanna add my 2c,
It's a pastel, sticks out like a sore thumb, it bothers me slightly that someone can't tell that on one so obvious. But....

...I would myself class it as a dinker pastel if it were mine, I'd want to use it to prove out the awesome black back it has. Sure, black backs aren't new but I'd sure look into using one to mix its pattern with another line colour. Imagine putting that blushing on a super that has been made using say a lemon pastel and the original male.
I think it would make a damn sweet firefly too.
It's nice, it will go nicely into other projects but it's not new nor will it ever be.
I think an opportunity for genuine discussion regarding genetics and lineage has been destroyed on this thread, But not at the point the OP thinks, you received a reply telling you you had a different take on the oldest morph, that is not ruining the thread, that is blunt truth of which you don't agree, therefore taking offence and in your eyes ruining the thread for you personally.
Because of this you became slightly aggressive in you posts and felt you were at war with members who shared the thoughts of the poster.
That is what ruined the thread, failure to accept the advice and likely truth in your genetics.
I wish you well with your project and hope you include the look of that male in a few combos, I'm sure they will be amazing.


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Sorry to tell you this..... But......

I proved this new morph out last season.... :gj:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...h-Of-2011-(DUW)

Ouchie, someone showed their butt one this one. Advice to HCC quick like take those pictures down and tuck your tail between your legs. I doubt Nerd said "Sure just take our watermark off and slap those up on your site". No No No. Kevin would undoutably want anyone looking at that picture or pictures to know those were NERD productions. Taking the time to produce something such as that gorgeous snake gives someone the right to always be credited up front without people having to wonder whos picture or snake that actually is. (which is why btw they had the watermark on the picture). Just saying.....
Tuck and run brother. Ill be surprised if you havent gotten a take my picture down now email yet.
jmho
Dont poke bears

All i have to say is....

When i start selling my ball pythons or make a website to advertise what i have for sale, i will use this thread to know what NOT to do.

.... and for that sir, i thank you.

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I will use this thread to know what NOT to do.

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No kidding! It's funny because the site is nicely done and looks professional.........apparently too professional seeing NERDS animals on there. SMH :(

point taken, and for the record you cant take water marks off without ruining the image, that's why the water marks are there and i never claimed the photos or animals where mine any where on my site. i just thought they were nice snakes and perfect examples of the gene's..

so, yes i should of known better.

I said your next post would tell the tale of you, and it clearly has.

You need to perform a cranial rectal inversion on your self and stop making excuses.

And, you still have stolen images on your site :mad:

Post the proof that Kevin gave you permission to use those images!

When did Kevin give you permission to use this:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...ckillerbee.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rob

I imagine it's the same reason a lot of guys think buying a tap out shirt makes them a fighter.

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hahahahahaha. i just crapped myself laughing about this. wow that is some funny stuff.

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Originally Posted by slim

i said your next post would tell the tale of you, and it clearly has.

You need to perform a cranial rectal inversion on your self and stop making excuses.

And, you still have stolen images on your site :mad:

post the proof that kevin gave you permission to use those images!

when did kevin give you permission to use this:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...ckillerbee.jpg

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lmao!!!! Even i laughed , but you don't need to be like this about it.

Why can't you just admit that you stole those images without permission and take them off your site? They are clearly not yours to use in the manner in which you are continuing to use them.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

lmao!!!! Even i laughed , but you don't need to be like this about it.

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This thread has taken a disturbing turn...:weirdface

15 pages about a black back pastel? Must of been a slow news day. After reading every page I felt obligated to say to HCC just take the images off your site and call it a day. This isn't going to help you or the business get anywhere but grouped together with a bunch of low life scammers and swindlers who have all been run out of the hobby.

HCC: i gurantee you wouldnt be name calling if this conversation was taking place in person. Theres no need for that crap on here, its just disrespectful and rude!

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Originally Posted by sho220

This thread has taken a disturbing turn...:weirdface

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Hey i dont judge! Whatever blows your hair back!

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lmao!!!! Even i laughed , but you don't need to be like this about it.

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Enjoy your vacation.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Copyright.jpg


HCC, please tell us what part of this :number1: you do not understand?

All I'm asking for is that you either show your permission, or admit you are violating NERD's copyright by having those images on your site.