I Am Curious !!!! Anyone else ever have it happen ?

wow man
that got to be one cramped egg lol, I bet thos little guys are going to need to start on mice pinkies. I hope the deformed one is justa resuclt of tight spaces and straightens out some if not I hope it a painless passsing for it , would still loveto get one of those guys if i had the fud that totally amazing.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

Awesome, thanks for all the info :) I can't wait to see them color up :)

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

well with the severity of the deformation if it were to survive it wouldnt be able to function as far as eating wise ..
but so far they are still pulling thru . time will tell

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Oh alright, I wasn't sure how bad it was. Poor little snaky :(

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Originally Posted by mechnut450

wow man
that got to be one cramped egg lol, I bet thos little guys are going to need to start on mice pinkies. I hope the deformed one is justa resuclt of tight spaces and straightens out some if not I hope it a painless passsing for it , would still loveto get one of those guys if i had the fud that totally amazing.

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well i am also having twins in another clutch from the same Spider Sire so if anything happens to the quads i will still have the twins available as long as there are no further issues , which in the twins i doubt there will be .

Awesomeness!! I always have faith in the ones that don't come out just quite right!!! So I look forward to seeing the little deformed guy make it!!!

I keep expecting this to get weirder every time I look at the thread. Perhaps next it will turn out two of them are conjoined.

I wonder if that's a genetic trait that your male spider has? Probably double the value of those babies if you could prove that the gene was passed on.

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Originally Posted by spitzu

I wonder if that's a genetic trait that your male spider has? Probably double the value of those babies if you could prove that the gene was passed on.

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well as far as the Sire (Spider) is concerned it is genetic hes produced the quadruplets and in another clutch 1 definite set of twins and possibly 1 more set .

Ok well some Good and Bad news

Good news : The Clutch is Day 52 and is starting to come out of the eggs 1 so far and 2 others prolly be out by evening time .


Bad news : the Quadruplet spiders didnt make it , i had a feeling this would be the outcome due to size and just sheer fact there was 4 of them in the 1 egg .

i did a video of the egg and me cutting them away from their cords and weighing them .. ( Theres always Next Season to Try it again )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM9xcbLkNdU

Sorry to hear this. It was exciting while it lasted. Good luck with the remaining hatchlings.

Poor little critters, I'm sorry they didn't make it :(

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Originally Posted by DemmBalls

Sorry to hear this. It was exciting while it lasted. Good luck with the remaining hatchlings.

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Well it is in fact still exciting cause as far as i know I'm the 1st person to ever have quadruplet BP's in the reptile industry . and they did in fact hatch (pippin)
just never finished the process by coming out of the egg .

so its still a very exciting event none the less .(Least for me)

I might be an oddball, but did you say you cut the egg on day 40?
Isn't that way to early?

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Originally Posted by murdermurder

I might be an oddball, but did you say you cut the egg on day 40?
Isn't that way to early?

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me cutting my eggs early didnt even play a factor in this , because all my other eggs are doing fine like they have year after year.
i cut all my eggs early .
its not for the novice to attempt.

Wow...so tiny! It's sad that they didn't make it, but I would have been very surprised if they did. I was hoping at least one of them might have been big enough...but at 12g.... :no: The patterns look cool...but I wonder if the interesting reduced patterns is just another sign of how under developed the poor little babies were. They just didn't have the resources from a single egg to fully develop. A necropsy would probably show a lot of internal mess as well, with underdeveloped organs and skeletal structures. :(

As sad as it is, it IS fascinating and so far as I know, a one-of-a-kind experience. I'm glad you were able to document it as fully as you did!

Regarding the early cut...it's not something I would recommend to anyone, but I know some people do it. So long as they are willing to accept the risks that come along with it, and have the skill to do it properly, I don't have an issue with it. It makes me wonder if there may be an incident of triplets successfully incubating, and after a clutch hatches on its own, the keeper thinks he had two sets of twins hatch, rather than one set of triplets...because who would think they'd all come out of the same egg?

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Originally Posted by JLC

Wow...so tiny! It's sad that they didn't make it, but I would have been very surprised if they did. I was hoping at least one of them might have been big enough...but at 12g.... :no: The patterns look cool...but I wonder if the interesting reduced patterns is just another sign of how under developed the poor little babies were. They just didn't have the resources from a single egg to fully develop. A necropsy would probably show a lot of internal mess as well, with underdeveloped organs and skeletal structures. :(

As sad as it is, it IS fascinating and so far as I know, a one-of-a-kind experience. I'm glad you were able to document it as fully as you did!

Regarding the early cut...it's not something I would recommend to anyone, but I know some people do it. So long as they are willing to accept the risks that come along with it, and have the skill to do it properly, I don't have an issue with it. It makes me wonder if there may be an incident of triplets successfully incubating, and after a clutch hatches on its own, the keeper thinks he had two sets of twins hatch, rather than one set of triplets...because who would think they'd all come out of the same egg?

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Actually about the reduced pattern thats not from under developing , you should see the father . his reduced patterned is genetic its been proven my his father down to him plus the normal girl is a genetic reduced patterned breeder as well
the only thing thats factor about the pattern is the coloration isnt there other then that its susposed to look like that . ill post a pic of the father and you will see exactly what i mean . ITs a SICK melted pattern .
SIRE to Quadruplets and TWINS
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...eryPics013.jpg

That IS an awesome pattern! Such a shame those babies didn't each get their own egg to grow up in. But it's apparent that daddy has a LOT more beautiful babies to sire!

Wow. Sorry they didn't make it. Not enough room in that egg for all of them an a yolk as well. You have an awesome spidy there :)

Heres 2 of the babies out so far ( and as you can see my cutting of the eggs EARLY had no ill affect ) ,mr. mykee :D

Both Males and Both weighing in at 66 grams
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...nstripe002.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...nstripe006.jpg

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

Heres 2 of the babies out so far ( and as you can see my cutting of the eggs EARLY had no ill affect ) ,mr. mykee :D

Both Males and Both weighing in at 66 grams
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...nstripe002.jpg

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What is that??!! ... it's amazing!

Gale

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Originally Posted by angllady2

What is that??!! Will it be for sale ? I just might have to whisper in your ear if it is, it's amazing!

Gale

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Its a Reduced Patterned Pinstripe .

and i just went up and checked and another Pinstripe just came out the egg and its a Female NFS and its full stripe head to tail .. will post pics when i get home ..

A reminder to folks....keep all sales questions and answers to private messages, please.

Thank you.

Heres the Perfect Stripe Female that just came out
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...nstripe008.jpg

Lovely pins! It's such a shame about the quadruplets, I'm sorry for your loss. What an amazing story though.

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Originally Posted by jsmorphs2

Lovely pins! It's such a shame about the quadruplets, I'm sorry for your loss. What an amazing story though.

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thanks . i was excited to say the least but i didnt have my hopes to far out there cause i had a feeling they would most likely not survive . but again theres always next season :D

So sorry to hear about the quads. :(

:( :'(

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Aww that bites they died.Thanks for sharing this even with us though :gj:

and last but not least heres the last Pinstripe of the clutch that finally came out . another Male so the the ratio was 2.1 on the pinstripes. theres still 1 normal left in the egg he should be out sometime this afternoon.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...nstripe002.jpg

I'm so sorry that you lost the quads. It was a very long shot anyway, but that doesn't make it any less sad.

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Originally Posted by Redneck_Crow

I'm so sorry that you lost the quads. It was a very long shot anyway, but that doesn't make it any less sad.

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Thanks , ya i knew it was , just one of those scenarios " you know what the end game is gonna be , but you hope to be wrong about it "..

Well, you know what is going to happen, but every once in a while the long shot plays out. They had the best chance you could humanly give them.

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" and they did in fact hatch (pippin)
just never finished the process by coming out of the egg . "

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Care to explain how exactly they "hatched (pippin)" on their own on Day 40?
What I see is this: they were alive (presumably) when you cut them, and now they're dead. Congratulations on your success rates.

Tre harsh? Yes he cut the eggs on day 40, the membrane was left intact, the babies pipped the membrane at day 50.

How do you figure it was his fault they died?

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Originally Posted by mykee

Care to explain how exactly they "hatched (pippin)" on their own on Day 40?
What I see is this: they were alive (presumably) when you cut them, and now they're dead. Congratulations on your success rates.

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Well i know i will never be getting animals from you . cause how can you be any good at breeding and hatching ball pythons when you cant apparently read ..

for the mykee that cant read correctly.. they hatched /Pipped on their own on day 50 .. but didnt finish the hatch process by coming out of the egg cause they died . there is that better can you read that clearly now ?

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Originally Posted by llovelace

Tre harsh? Yes he cut the eggs on day 40, the membrane was left intact, the babies pipped the membrane at day 50.

How do you figure it was his fault they died?

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its ok llovelace hes just a person that hates people who choose to cut their eggs . and all hes doing is throwing his temper tantrum cause i decided to share my experience with everyone ..

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Originally Posted by mykee

Care to explain how exactly they "hatched (pippin)" on their own on Day 40?
What I see is this: they were alive (presumably) when you cut them, and now they're dead. Congratulations on your success rates.

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Yup. As of now, his success rate is 0% on ball python quads surviving.

Just like everyone else in the whole wide world.

The guy had a female lay an egg that was so stuffed with snakes that it would have been a first if any of them survived and they didn't. Why do you want to throw something like that in now? The other eggs he cut did fine. People all over the world who have ball pythons have cut the eggs and the hatchlings do fine.

Those quads had next to nothing of a chance to survive with the egg cut. They couldn't even crawl out. Do you think they would have had even a remote chance of being strong enough to pip that egg if he hadn't cut it? I sure don't. They would have drowned.

When someone gets something like that and tries to save it despite how hopeless it is, I gotta give him props. I can't think of a single solitary thing he did wrong nor anything else he could have done to try to save those hatchlings. Four ball pythons stuffed into an egg that nature only meant to nourish one and they died and you want to imply that a guy killed them by cutting the egg?

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I'm not so sure 3 6g snakes would have been able to survive, as I don't think there are any ball pythons recorded that have hatched that light. The 12g one may have, but that's still severely underweight and he had to share his yolk, so again, doubtful.

It's all in the video.

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Originally Posted by mykee

Care to explain how exactly they "hatched (pippin)" on their own on Day 40?
What I see is this: they were alive (presumably) when you cut them, and now they're dead. Congratulations on your success rates.

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I have to say that this is one of the most thoughtless, careless things I've seen written here in quite awhile. It's right up there with offering to taxidermy someone's pet just because it has a funny little wobble.

I get that you disagree with early cutting of eggs. No problem with that. You're free to express your opinion on the matter...and you did so. Are you now suggesting those QUADS would have survived otherwise? How many quad ball pythons have you successfully hatched? :weirdface I'd really love to hear your stories and experiences with that!

In the meantime, while I'm waiting to hear about your quads (or even triplets!)...I'll go on record as saying that this has been a most extraordinary event to be able to witness, even at this distance across the Internet. It is also as sad as it is extraordinary. It's a bittersweet bit of ball python history, and it's a shame that some choose to use it as a soapbox for their own agenda.

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Originally Posted by JLC

I have to say that this is one of the most thoughtless, careless things I've seen written here in quite awhile. It's right up there with offering to taxidermy someone's pet just because it has a funny little wobble.

I get that you disagree with early cutting of eggs. No problem with that. You're free to express your opinion on the matter...and you did so. Are you now suggesting those QUADS would have survived otherwise? How many quad ball pythons have you successfully hatched? :weirdface I'd really love to hear your stories and experiences with that!

In the meantime, while I'm waiting to hear about your quads (or even triplets!)...I'll go on record as saying that this has been a most extraordinary event to be able to witness, even at this distance across the Internet. It is also as sad as it is extraordinary. It's a bittersweet bit of ball python history, and it's a shame that some choose to use it as a soapbox for their own agenda.

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I agree 100%. I thank TheVipersHouse for sharing this with me. I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it. 4 babies in one egg, that is just mind blowing. I am sorry for your loss. I know it is hard even if you don't expect them to make it. There is always that thought in the back of your mind "maybe one will live". Don't mind people like Mykee. I for one know you did your best.

Just look at the twins to make you feel better ;)

Ok all as promised here is a couple updated pics of the TWINS which are due to start pipping within 2 more days.

6 eggs total in clutch
2 normals / 5 Spiders ( 2 of which are TWINS)

at first i thought there was 2 sets of twins but it looks like its only going to be 1 set ..


DAY 48 2 days away from start of PIPPING
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...nClutch002.jpg


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...nClutch001.jpg

What is the mother of the twins? Genetic reduced pattern is dominate I believe, any idea if these guys/gals will take after their father in that sense?

I know, I need to stop being impatient and just let them hatch! Lol.

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Originally Posted by Sama

What is the mother of the twins? Genetic reduced pattern is dominate I believe, any idea if these guys/gals will take after their father in that sense?

I know, I need to stop being impatient and just let them hatch! Lol.

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both the father and mother are Genetic Reduced Patterned the babies will have those genes as well

that's pretty awesome to have the triplets and the quads(even though they didnt make it)!

I didn't read every post in this thread, but what it sounded like was that the idea was that the male had it in his genes to throw the triplets etc. ? Did he do it with more than one female? I am fairly positive the male would have absolutely no deciding factor on whether or not you had twins/triplets/quads because the male only contributes the sperm and the the female contributes the eggs (which would decide the how many babies were in the egg)

I could be completely wrong on that subject though so any clarification would be awesome!

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Originally Posted by Dustin

that's pretty awesome to have the triplets and the quads(even though they didnt make it)!

I didn't read every post in this thread, but what it sounded like was that the idea was that the male had it in his genes to throw the triplets etc. ? Did he do it with more than one female? I am fairly positive the male would have absolutely no deciding factor on whether or not you had twins/triplets/quads because the male only contributes the sperm and the the female contributes the eggs (which would decide the how many babies were in the egg)

I could be completely wrong on that subject though so any clarification would be awesome!

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well i can tell you this . this is how i know its the father because the female that laid the eggs has no history at all in the years shes laid eggs to have ever had twins let alone anything else like triplets or quads . this is the first year shes ever thrown then which in turn means its the male .

the female yes has the follicles , but its the males part that would give the deciding factor cause in a case with twins , it means that 1 egg from female gets split into 2 babies if the male has potent enough sperm ..

and i know its the male cause there are 2 different females he bred 1 gave me quadruplets and the other thats hatching starting tomorrow has given me twins .. and again neither of these females in their 6 years of breeding each have never thrown so much as a twin before until now .

ok i figured id get back with another update the twins are starting the piping
looks like they are gonna be the stubborn ones lol.

but heres a pic and im not 100% yet but looks like its possibly gonna be 1 normal and 1 spider that are the twins .
but the normal looking 1 has a spider head pattern so its possibly he could end up being an ugly patterned spider . wont know for sure until they are out completely..

but again here the Pic

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g4...e/Twins001.jpg

OK just posted pics of the TWINS clutch hatched out for those who have been following my thread ..


Heres Link to see the babies

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why does the fluid look so murky in that last vid? Too bad the quads didn't make it...the rest of your babies look awesome. :gj:

Thanks for posting all this. It's fascinating to see it all unfold!

I have only cut eggs after one pips, or a few days early at most. I just don't feel comfortable doing so.

But if someone else feels comfortable cutting their eggs early, and has obviously had so much success over years and years of breeding and cutting early, it would be beyond FOOLISH for me to imply it doesn't work. I know a lot of breeders do cut early, so there can't be that much wrong with it. Maybe as I get mroe experiance, I will feel comfortable enough to cut early... one day.

Looking forward to your next year, to see if you get more multiples. Has the dad sired clutches prior to this season?

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Originally Posted by sho220

Why does the fluid look so murky in that last vid? Too bad the quads didn't make it...the rest of your babies look awesome. :gj:

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because the fluid starts to form a top layer after a period of time and some fluids are crystal clear , and some are milky looking

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Thanks for posting all this. It's fascinating to see it all unfold!

I have only cut eggs after one pips, or a few days early at most. I just don't feel comfortable doing so.

But if someone else feels comfortable cutting their eggs early, and has obviously had so much success over years and years of breeding and cutting early, it would be beyond FOOLISH for me to imply it doesn't work. I know a lot of breeders do cut early, so there can't be that much wrong with it. Maybe as I get mroe experiance, I will feel comfortable enough to cut early... one day.

Looking forward to your next year, to see if you get more multiples. Has the dad sired clutches prior to this season?

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he was proven for the breeder i got him from 1 season and then i got him .