What's this??

That is good....Hopefully the strange one will make it for you.....:gj:

PICS!!!! Please:please:

Yes, lol, I think the suspense is killing us!! :D

I just removed a normal, it looks healthy and weighed 50g, yay!!!
The other ones are halfway out, just the little weirdo left, it's alive and has grown a lot, I love the pattern. I'll probably upload some pics of the ones that are completely out of their eggs.

Let's pray for the weird patterned baby to survive.:please:

:please: Make it please!:please:

Well, it is a bright snake alright....
Here it finally shows it's true self!

Pic 1 is compared with pastel and normal:
http://reptiles72.webs.com/supersnake%20002.jpg

Pic 2 is just a quick shot of it from the side...
http://reptiles72.webs.com/supersnake%20011.jpg

Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you dont want ill get her!! LOL!!!

Pretty, isn't it?

idk looks really super lol

Amazing!!! :O :O :O This is why I love breeding Ball Pythons! You just never know what might pop out of those eggs.

I'm telling ya,

I'd be sending those pics to NERD and Ralph Davis for their professional opinions - that head is even lighter than most superpastels.


dr del

According to NERD, it's sibling is a Pastel.... I don't know if I believe them.........:confused:

That is insane!!
I thought pastels have green eyes??

with the parent/s coming from NERD
could you have a fader gene kicking around in the clutch?

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Originally Posted by JimmyLindberg

According to NERD, it's sibling is a Pastel.... I don't know if I believe them.........:confused:

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I'm with you on that... I don't think either of those are "normal".. the "pastel" is more exceptional than a regular pastel and that "super pastel" (which isn't even possible from the pairing??) is FANTASTIC... you've got something going on for sure!

We'll just have to wait and see.
I don't know what to do...

Anyone who wants to speculate what morph it is?

congrats you just found a new morph :banana::banana::banana::banana::dance::pinkele::carrot::headbang::party::taz::f est::fest2::dance::carrot::carrot::rockon::handshake:eyepoppin:number1::carrot:: partyon::fest2::fest::pinkele::dance::banana::dance:

Can you post pictures of the parents?

Regards,

B

If you search throughout the whole thread you'll find pictures of the parents

As I've said Before... that look a lot like Specter/Pastel... Next year i definitely will breed Your female to YB or Ivory even.. If you get Super Stripes.. You have your answer...:gj::gj::gj:

Anyway regards of what that really is.. Big Congratulation on safe hatch and Good luck with them :cool::gj::gj::gj:

P.S. Count of Views and Responses to this tread start getting insane :rofl:

Mom doesn't look anything like any specter I've seen. The babies don't look like pastel specters either. I was also thinking fader, since the fader gene varies greatly in it's expression.

Link to a fader pic at the NERD site:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/car...ale-8-10f.html

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Originally Posted by fonzi1289

That is insane!!
I thought pastels have green eyes??

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Thats what I thought too. Whatever that thing is, looks awesome! I bet the color contrast as it ages will be awesome, congrats!! Maybe both of the parents were het for bad@$$!!!

:rofl:^^^:rofl:
:gj:

The mystery baby is so exciting. :)

So awesome to see!

Ohhhhh wow!! That baby is amazing!! You got some crazy stuff out of this pairing for SURE! Can't wait to watch these babies grow! :O

Jimmy-
Thanks for all the updates, pics, and info. You have a surprise, amazing clutch for sure and I would agree with Dr.Del. Send to Ralph and see what he says. There are some super cool genetics at play here and you are the lucky breeder who gets to work with them!

Many congrats

Jim

Sooo beautiful!! I'm SO glad the little guy made it!!


I...want....

Congrats on the amazing clutch!

Thank's for all your answers!!

I asked Ralph Davis and he thought something like enchi, pastel or fader... so we still don't know...
By the way I don't think it's going to make it, it looks very tired and is barely moving when I touch it.......

Congrats that baby looks insane!! I have no idea what's going on with him, he's so much different than any other pastel baby I've seen. He even Looks different that the supers I've seen. I have No idea what's going on. My mind is now blown. Hold him back for sure. You're one lucky guy

Aww, :(

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Originally Posted by JimmyLindberg

Thank's for all your answers!!

I asked Ralph Davis and he thought something like enchi, pastel or fader... so we still don't know...
By the way I don't think it's going to make it, it looks very tired and is barely moving when I touch it.......

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I'm sorry to hear that.


dr del

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Originally Posted by JimmyLindberg

Thank's for all your answers!!

I asked Ralph Davis and he thought something like enchi, pastel or fader... so we still don't know...
By the way I don't think it's going to make it, it looks very tired and is barely moving when I touch it.......

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Oh, crap. :( Best wishes for the little guy...Man, that would suck. I hope he makes. it.

Oh no! :( I hope the little guy makes it, he's such a star here.

Ok, it seems like the tiredness could be from hatching, it seems to have improved a bit since yesterday so let's just wait and see........
BTW I'm having a tough time from my mother since I wrote my last tread saying that I didn't think it's going to make it.. Hopefully she'll forgive me, it's just that I'm very eager to tell everyone about this exciting clutch and it's progress.

Oh thank goodness...We're rooting for the little guy!! :) :tears:

I follow this thread petty closely. I was bummed all day thinking he wasn't doing good. Now I'm thrilled. I think you have yourself a little keeper!!!:D

Is it sad that I became so happy when you said it looks like it will pull through? I think I'd be crushed if it didn't make it, and it's not even mine. :rolleyes: You've got a popular little clutch here. I wish you all the best! :please:

After reading about the issues this clutch seems to be having I am wondering if incubation stress may be the cause of these strange babies.

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Originally Posted by J.Vandegrift

After reading about the issues this clutch seems to be having I am wondering if incubation stress may be the cause of these strange babies.

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That's exactly my thinking as well. I think incubation stress has a lot to do with the anomolies in this clutch.

What do you mean by incubation stress?
If you mean the temperature it has been steady the whole incubation time.

i think.........you should post pictures of him once you get him through his first shed :D

They were cooked a bit low correct? Low Inc temps have been known to do odd things to clutches. This may be one of those weird things.

I went through this whole thread and kept hearing normal but didn't see any babies that looked normal.

So I'm just tagging this thread for updated pics :D:gj:

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What do you mean by incubation stress?
If you mean the temperature it has been steady the whole incubation time.

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Between them taking so long to exit the egg, the cord wrapped baby, the weak one, and the dead ones, something must have been off at some point during the incubation. Could have been too wet, too dry, maybe your thermostat is off... could have been a bunch of things. Just my opinion but incubation issues have been been know to result in some crazy hatchlings. Hopefully I am wrong. Either way it's a sweet looking snake.

The temperature has been steady all the time but I agree that this has taken quite a while.

Anyway the "weird looking" snake is unfortunately dead......:(
His siblings are still alive and we just have to wait and see, the question is if this had to do with any genetics or with the incubator.
I have never experienced this problems before and I just have to wait and see when the next clutch is ready to hatch if we get the same problematics here.
The question is if we should do the same paring next season considering what happened with this clutch?
Here is some pictures of the weird snake after it had died.......
http://reptiles72.webs.com/English/008.jpg
http://reptiles72.webs.com/English/010.jpg

It's a shame it didn't make it. :( So sorry.

Nuts, :(

I would definately repeat the pairing at least once more.

I hope the rest of the eggs in your incubator are fine. :please:

How are you planning on double checking the temps and humidity to find out if it really is at the right level?


dr del