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  • 09-18-2010, 06:35 PM
    zues
    Hopefully you have been to busy counting and sexing pieds to update this thread.
  • 09-19-2010, 01:42 AM
    Quiet Tempest
    I couldn't wait any longer. I snipped a little flap on each egg and peeked. I think all four are normals judging from the little I could see of them. :( Lame... But they're all 66% poss. het pieds. I'll post pics when they actually start emerging from the eggs on their own.
  • 09-19-2010, 03:44 AM
    Nimitz87
    aww oh well...

    Chad
  • 09-19-2010, 06:09 AM
    shelliebear
    :(
    I wish I had a pied. I would ship it to you ASAP. ;-;
    I'm so sorry. Hopefully one turns out to have a little white, or maybe if you breed the this generation of 66% hets you'll get a pied next time. :oops:
    Sorry. :(
  • 09-19-2010, 08:35 AM
    DemmBalls
    Re: Maternally Incubating Again =)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quiet Tempest View Post
    I couldn't wait any longer. I snipped a little flap on each egg and peeked. I think all four are normals judging from the little I could see of them. :( Lame... But they're all 66% poss. het pieds. I'll post pics when they actually start emerging from the eggs on their own.

    That's a bummer. Will she be ready to go again this coming season or does the maternal incubation take to much out of them? Either way...just keep trying and hopefully all of these babies make it out healthy!

    I'm actually going to pick up a pair of Het pieds in a few hours! Hopefully I'll hit on pieds in a few years!

    Good luck in the future with all of your projects!
  • 09-19-2010, 09:08 AM
    Quiet Tempest
    Thanks, guys. I haven't checked back in on the eggs yet this morning but if one turned out to be a really low white pied that would be great. Kyriel is not thrilled with the egg goo that spilled after recoiling her eggs and I'm giving her some time to readjust to this new element. :rolleyes:

    A friend of mine is going to loan me her pied male for the upcoming season after Kyriel regains some more weight so I should have some better odds next year. She's been feeding fairly well while incubating so she should be able to breed again the season. I'll just see how it goes.
  • 09-19-2010, 09:34 AM
    zues
    Hate to be the one to bring it up but where did you hets come from? Any chance you got taken?
  • 09-19-2010, 10:25 AM
    Quiet Tempest
    Both originated from Jason Feagans in Kentucky but were purchased at different times. Both are supposed to share the same pied father. I don't think I was taken because Jason seems to be a reputable guy according to everyone I've spoken with who has dealt with them.

    Hopefully this was just a case of lousy odds. I'll breed the female again when she's ready and hopefully things will pan out better. If I pair her with my friend's pied and she still only throws normals, I'll be a bit perturbed.
  • 09-19-2010, 10:31 AM
    PghBall
    Re: Maternally Incubating Again =)
    Hope you find that low white pied among them!
  • 09-22-2010, 11:16 AM
    h4y4sh1
    Thank you very much Quiet Tempest for this thread. I decided to maternally incubate my first ever clutch. It was a success with 100% hatch rate.
  • 09-22-2010, 11:53 AM
    h4y4sh1
    Oh and I forgot to add. She refused feeding during the incubation, but 4 days after the baby hatched, Mummy bee is already munching down mouse :)
  • 09-22-2010, 02:00 PM
    Quiet Tempest
    What did you try offering her? The first year I did this, I offered my female a small rat and it was refused and I didn't offer her anything else until the eggs hatched. This year the same female took weanling rats without any hesitation. :) Scaling back in size definitely makes a difference.

    Congrats on the successful clutch!

    I'm still waiting for my latest four to leave their eggs. They're poking noses out now but don't seem to want to leave their eggs at all.
  • 09-22-2010, 03:43 PM
    Quiet Tempest
    Well, today I've got little heads peeking out of the eggs. Some with brand new slits so I guess today (day 62) would have been their hatch date had I not cut the eggs. ;)


    http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8206/cimg6176.jpg

    http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8713/cimg6175.jpg
  • 09-22-2010, 03:52 PM
    jfreels
    Awesome!
  • 09-22-2010, 04:05 PM
    ThePaganJew
    The faces are adorable, but the wait to see the white is killing me and I only found this thread today! I can't imagine how you feel lol.
  • 09-22-2010, 04:14 PM
    anatess
    Ooooohhhh! Is that a little teensy white on the bottom egg????
  • 09-22-2010, 04:20 PM
    MikeV
    Re: Maternally Incubating Again =)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anatess View Post
    Ooooohhhh! Is that a little teensy white on the bottom egg????

    I see that too :O :O :O :O
  • 09-22-2010, 04:32 PM
    shelliebear
    I see some white in there! :D Come on, one of them has to be a pied, or they all had better be hets XD
    Hurry up, little baby snakes! We want to see you! :D
    (adorable mom and baby photos though, NEW DESKTOP BACKGROUND!)
  • 09-22-2010, 04:48 PM
    Quiet Tempest
    I see it, too, but it's just belly. Those bellies are so deceptive! lol
  • 09-22-2010, 08:31 PM
    shelliebear
    Re: Maternally Incubating Again =)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quiet Tempest View Post
    I see it, too, but it's just belly. Those bellies are so deceptive! lol

    No! Don't say that. :(
    :(:(
  • 09-23-2010, 08:34 AM
    h4y4sh1
    Re: Maternally Incubating Again =)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quiet Tempest View Post
    What did you try offering her? The first year I did this, I offered my female a small rat and it was refused and I didn't offer her anything else until the eggs hatched. This year the same female took weanling rats without any hesitation. :) Scaling back in size definitely makes a difference.

    Congrats on the successful clutch!

    I'm still waiting for my latest four to leave their eggs. They're poking noses out now but don't seem to want to leave their eggs at all.

    I offered her mice. she's never been a rat eater.
    I hope that white in the photo is not of the belly :)
  • 09-24-2010, 08:34 AM
    Quiet Tempest
    All but one have come out. :) No pieds, but all of the babies have beautiful belly markers. I haven't sexed them yet. I'll wait until after their first shed to get around to that. All of them appear to be perfectly healthy but one does have a tiny kink at the very tip of its tail. It shouldn't hinder it in any way, but it's worth noting.


    http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2617/cimg6183.jpg

    http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5224/cimg6184.jpg

    http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9118/cimg6187.jpg

    http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3027/cimg6188.jpg

    http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6880/cimg6191.jpg
  • 09-24-2010, 03:09 PM
    ThePaganJew
    Congrats on your new babies! May they all be good eaters and give you little trouble :gj:
  • 09-24-2010, 05:49 PM
    Quiet Tempest
    They're all out now. :)


    http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4954/cimg6195.jpg

    http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4337/cimg6194.jpg

    http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9886/cimg6192q.jpg


    I popped them while putting down some clean paper towel and I believe they are all girls. I'll try again after they've shed and probe any questionables.

    These were so stubborn about leaving their eggs. I hope they're not so stubborn when it comes to starting feeding.
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