It seemed so wrong, but felt so right...

I don't like the biting and clawing from the feeder, either. What I do is watch, and if it looks like the mouse/rat is in a position to bite the snake, I put the tongs in the rodent's mouth (like someone mentioned with a pencil) or use the tongs to keep the rodent's feet away from the snake. That way, the rodent bites and/or scratches the tongs and not the snake.

And just FYI, the "lead" of a pencil wouldn't hurt a person, let alone a mouse. It's graphite (a form of carbon), not lead.

Sigh...............:rolleyes: They do eat live rats in the wild :8: I still dont understand why everyone thinks its not safe to feed live.. I get the point about the snake being bit but I have fed live since I started keeping snakes and never had a problem..

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I don't like the biting and clawing from the feeder, either. What I do is watch, and if it looks like the mouse/rat is in a position to bite the snake, I put the tongs in the rodent's mouth (like someone mentioned with a pencil) or use the tongs to keep the rodent's feet away from the snake. That way, the rodent bites and/or scratches the tongs and not the snake.

And just FYI, the "lead" of a pencil wouldn't hurt a person, let alone a mouse. It's graphite (a form of carbon), not lead.

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Most of the time i use the back of an tooth brush.

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Sigh...............:rolleyes: They do eat live rats in the wild :8: I still dont understand why everyone thinks its not safe to feed live.. I get the point about the snake being bit but I have fed live since I started keeping snakes and never had a problem..

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I 2nd "dat"...
You must trust the ball and its wild instincts. I've seen my ball slightly get bittin the boy just sqeezed harda almost pop'd "dat" suckers eyes out :cool: He came out unharmed not even a scar or puncture. Trust is "da" key word.

But glad you switched to hot 'n' fresh meals on the go:gj:

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Sigh...............:rolleyes: They do eat live rats in the wild :8: I still dont understand why everyone thinks its not safe to feed live.. I get the point about the snake being bit but I have fed live since I started keeping snakes and never had a problem..

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That's not what Big Gunns heard. The last time he talked to someone in Africa he was told there was a frozen thawed rat/mouse vending machine at every termite mound. :D

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That's not what Big Gunns heard. The last time he talked to someone in Africa he was told there was a frozen thawed rat/mouse vending machine at every termite mound. :D

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:rofl::rofl: Thank you BG for adding a little funny to this thread!!! ;)

Again....you can condemm someone for their actions and they learn nothing....you can take this opportunity to teach someone and they walk away with more knowledge and respect.

Said it before and I will say it again...this is an amazing group of individuals....lets act like I know we can and teach instead of yelling at someone. If you don't like what he did....fine.....show him a better way. STarting off a convo by condeming him and he will shut him down and become defensive. Human nature

Ok...now I want everyone to put their tongs down...hold hands and sing Christmas Carols...

Someone posted about us all being on the same team ect., and they are right! So in that spirit I am sorry if I insulted you. But please rest assured that your animals can more than handle their food and dispatch it quite efficiently. If they are eating frozen keep feeding frozen, but be confident in the odd(like 2x's a year) live feeding that they will be fine. All my guys are on F/T, except for one, like I said and she will be switched eventually to F/T. I am not against live feeding but F/T is just easier. I also have 2 daughters who turned an uneaten rat into a pet because BP's being BP's, they decide to stop eating sometimes, and now you have to care for a new PET! I had it hidden in the basement until feeding time ( at the time I only had one BP), but my oldest tamed her down and made her a pet. Needless to say not happy!!!!! All I am saying is that crushing anything is really not necessary, though in retrospect I remember when I was new to snakes. I would go crazy about feeding and when they wouldn't eat I would freak out! Now I have a male hog nose snake that hasn't eaten in 52 days. Eventually he will eat and all will be fine. You will learn, we all did and do! Please no more crushing of anything!
Mike Kelly

I've got a whole lot of emotions running through me right now.

I also don't like the thought of turning on the evening news and them having a story about a person who "smashes rodents faces and feet" to feed to their snakes. Just doesn't give us very good press.

Without adding more fuel to the fire or any more salt to the wound here.

I just please ask that you stick to the frozen thawed rodents.

It seems to me that although snakes are born with an instinctive ability to hunt, they also "learn" to hunt with experience. And, just as all BP's are different, some are just naturally better hunters than others. I have swithched snakes from FT to live and noticed that they were pretty bad at hunting at first. Over time (and a few scratches) these snakes become very very good hunters!

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It's a matter of opinion - they are both the same to me. The end result is also the same, except I didn't deliver any blunt force trauma - more of a direct and sustained approach. I actually think the animal was already on its way to dying, but again, as I have said a thousand times, it was my first time and the process was new to me. I will be more humane next time, but my animals health and well-being will always come first.

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Then you did this for entertainment??? If it was "already on its way to dying", then what need was there to intervene?

I can guarantee there is not one person on here that does not want there snake to be safe. All of our snakes well being comes first...that's why we're here. You just seem to discredit/disregard any andvice people try to give you.

Aw, man...Look, you made a mistake and you realize that...'nuff said.

I think what some people are having a hard time understanding (myself included) is this: you've made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that the health and safety of your snakes is your top priority; however, you've chosen to switch them from a feeding that is inherently safer (f/t = 0% chance of scratches or bites) to one that carries some risk. Moreover, the reasons you've stated for switching from f/t all boil down to the fact that it is inconvenient for YOU. Essentially, you're saying that your snakes' health and safety is a priority...as long as it doesn't inconvenience you. Can you understand how that might look a little fishy?

Anyway, I'm not here to start another f/t vs. live debate...but might I suggest, for your own sanity, stick with either f/t or prekilled. I've seen the consequences first-hand of that "one-in-a-million" bite that ultimately killed a snake and this was not the result of an irresponsible owner who left a rodent in with his snake unattended. The tragic part was that the owner was a 12 year old boy whose care was immaculate (he even schooled the vet a couple of times ;) )! He had always fed live and did exactly as others had instructed him to do: "don't leave the snake and rodent unattended." The bite happened on impact and the rat just got lucky and bit the snake through the eye and the roof of the mouth piercing the skull. It just happened so quickly and the kid witnessed the whole thing. He was absolutely devastated. Like I said, "one-in-a-million," but that was no consolation to the kid that just lost his beloved pet. :(

So like I said, if your snakes' safety is truly your #1 priority, stick with f/t or prekilled 'cause having that doubt in the back of your mind can't be good for your peace of mind! ;)

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Someone posted about us all being on the same team ect., and they are right! So in that spirit I am sorry if I insulted you. But please rest assured that your animals can more than handle their food and dispatch it quite efficiently. If they are eating frozen keep feeding frozen, but be confident in the odd(like 2x's a year) live feeding that they will be fine. All my guys are on F/T, except for one, like I said and she will be switched eventually to F/T. I am not against live feeding but F/T is just easier. I also have 2 daughters who turned an uneaten rat into a pet because BP's being BP's, they decide to stop eating sometimes, and now you have to care for a new PET! I had it hidden in the basement until feeding time ( at the time I only had one BP), but my oldest tamed her down and made her a pet. Needless to say not happy!!!!! All I am saying is that crushing anything is really not necessary, though in retrospect I remember when I was new to snakes. I would go crazy about feeding and when they wouldn't eat I would freak out! Now I have a male hog nose snake that hasn't eaten in 52 days. Eventually he will eat and all will be fine. You will learn, we all did and do! Please no more crushing of anything!
Mike Kelly

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Apology accepted, I'm sorry too. I do now realize that I was being cruel, just not intentionally. Next time I will handle these rodents much more humanely and keep in mind that they are fully capable of feeling pain. They are after all, cute little critters and I don't want to be inflicting pain on any animal, thats not the kind of person I am.

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I don't want to be inflicting pain on any animal, thats not the kind of person I am.

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That's good to know, as your title and prior posts indicated otherwise. That's partly what got the rest of us upset.

I had never done “it” before….lots of heavy breathing, long anticipation, the longing for the real thing!


in your original post you said this about why you wanted to fed live, let me tell you the excitement goes away after the second/third time. then its just old hat, my carpet does like to play with her food for a bit. so its exciting to see what new way she strikes.

we feed all three of our snakes live, because as snakes they eat live animals. so thats what i do.

the watching and excitment ended fast, now its just observe and a check on the feeding schedule.

yes there are horror stories about injured or killed snakes, those are very few and very far between and are mostly caused by owners turning prey loose and walking away.

if live is what you chose to fed, then drop in food and just watch. it is over in the blink of an eye. if its a fiesty rat then a hard thump to its head will do the trick.

i cannot agree with what you did, no matter what the eventual outcome. i have had rats bite me and i didnt harm them, they just got bumped to the top of the feeding list. yes we breed our own rodents, hell some of them have names.

people here are just trying to help you, take their advice. like you stated you have alot to learn.

I still say everything is up to u... do wut u wonna do:gj:

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I had never done “it” before….lots of heavy breathing, long anticipation, the longing for the real thing!

I treated my precious animals to live food for the very first time – My baby ball ‘Muffin’ has NEVER been fed live food, nor has my 17 year old adult. For some reason today I got a wild hair and decided to feed them live rodents. I went in knowing the risks and decided ahead of time that I would keep a very close eye on the rodent, and keep the tongs attached to the feeder until it stopped fighting.

For me, it was the wildest thing I had ever seen, in the flesh. Normally when I feed F/T, I do a little dance and dangle, and then I get a rather sluggish pull at the tongs, and then a ‘thud’ and it’s done. Simply drama free. With the live feed, I put the container with the rodents in for a short time and those snakes came alive like I had never seen them before….the real predators came out in what I thought were sweet little slithering puffs of goodness.

Anyway, for ‘Fat Nico’ my adult BP, I had to crush the rats’ feet, to prevent it from scratching Nico. Muffin’s mouse was far worse however, I had to take my hemostats and crush his face to get him to calm down. I was terrified of these rodents hurting my animals, so the tongs never left my grip.

I now recognize how easily this could have gone awry, but the snakes got to those rodents faster than I have seen them do ANYHTING. It was quite a sight, and it happened so fast, that I would have missed it if I hadn’t been intent on not letting the rodent scratch/bite my snakes.

What an experience for a ‘Live feed’ virgin – I just had to share….

I am assuming that I can’t go back to F/T now?

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WOW. um, go back to f/t. I'm just really shocked at the brutality here. I often feed live but I do not feed live if they are big enough to bite or scratch. I'm not a snake owner that can't handle the heat either. I have no problem with doing a cervical dislocation on a mouse / rat just before giving it to my snakes but crushing an animals feet and head instead of just killing it first. Unnecessary brutality. It just is.

i always feed my 2 snakes live mice.
my ball python 3-4months old was fed his first adult live (cause the shop fed them f/t)
he took like 3mins looking at the mouse jumping, the mouse went near the hideout, boom. dead.
2days ago was his second feeding , he attacked the mouse in less then a minute without anyprolems.

my corn has been feeding live for about 6months now and he attacks instantly without giving the mouse a second to move.

what i can say to you is this. once they start on live they will get better at hunting day by day. my snakes never missed, never got attacked.
i dont see any problem at my adult mouse scratchig my ball python , the nails are so small it didnt even scretch my skin while running on my hand.

the real problem comes at the teeth. you could just use that think i dont know what it is that makes the nails of persons preventing of beeing sharp (sry im not english) and use it on the mouse' teeth that way the mouse wouldnt hurt. personaly i just watch over them while they eat and if i see a little bit of fighting back from the mouse i would eat it myself LOFL, no really, i would be ready to throw it out instantly.

i dont love how the forums (im on 2 forums abt snakes) threat the ones who feed live, in my opinion everyone should feed how they love it, even if its for personal pleasure. damn man, we pay money for the snakes dont we have the right to see them kill a mouse and eat it like they do in the wild? for the price of a bite in a lifetime wich usually doesnt even happen and can be prevented with supervision.?

but please dude, stop breaking faces and feet. your still cheating on your snake like that but trying to make him think that its a difensive angry rat/mouse while its not.
thats cruelity , something i would never. the snake killst hem without much less pain, at least my ball kills them in less then a second. i would never do such a damn thing. pls if you wanna feed live, just put a live mouse/rat and inspect carefully, if you don't have guts to do that, then go back to F/T im sure it can be done. again i feed my corn live but when the mouse dies because he gows in shedding i freeze and then feed him after shedding., he eats without probs.

Next time just hold them by the tail and step on their heads. Or like twirl em around like a helicopter real fast and sling em into the wall first.

You just argued with these knuckleheads for 12 pages (insanity at best). They are just worried about bad press and looking bad.... boo hoo. Give them a tissue.

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Next time just hold them by the tail and step on their heads. Or like twirl em around like a helicopter real fast and sling em into the wall first.

You just argued with these knuckleheads for 12 pages (insanity at best). They are just worried about bad press and looking bad.... boo hoo. Give them a tissue.

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lol!! what can i say... somebody finally said it.
forums are becoming war places day after they with the pros attacking the n00bs paranoid about the sickhead american goverment banning their snakes.
i was a victim on another forum too wich by time realized what STEW just said.

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Next time just hold them by the tail and step on their heads. Or like twirl em around like a helicopter real fast and sling em into the wall first.

You just argued with these knuckleheads for 12 pages (insanity at best). They are just worried about bad press and looking bad.... boo hoo. Give them a tissue.

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We are worried about the press because with all the bills coming around to ban our pythons bad publicity will just make it a lot worse. It will make all of us snake keepers look evil

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Next time just hold them by the tail and step on their heads. Or like twirl em around like a helicopter real fast and sling em into the wall first.

You just argued with these knuckleheads for 12 pages (insanity at best). They are just worried about bad press and looking bad.... boo hoo. Give them a tissue.

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Way to garner support from the members!

WOW, this thread grew fast lol. I don't see any problem with feeding live. It seems more natural IMO but none of this is natural so who are we kidding? Anyhoo.. I have been feeding snakes a lot longer than I have owned one. I've never had a mouse cause any injuries but I have had a rat bite a red tail. I felt so irresponsible and upset. I flick the mice now (like you would a bug of something) on the back of the head. It doesn't usually kill them but they always knock out or are stunned long enough for the snake to be interested and eat it. It's kind of sad but they usually twitch hardcore after this so the snake has a pretty good stimulant still. (i am always getting new babies and have to work a few weeks to get a good feeding response) I think that's better than crushing their face or their feet though..

For rats I have trouble doing this though.. Mice are little bastards IMO and I feel less mean in hurting them. (please don't flame me XD just being honest) But rats are cute to me. Its harder for me to do it, but they really are more dangerous. I try to kill them as respectfully as possible with a quick neckbreak. After seeing one of the snakes get bit, its hard to feed without some sort of worry.

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We are worried about the press because with all the bills coming around to ban our pythons bad publicity will just make it a lot worse. It will make all of us snake keepers look evil

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Wake up, the bills arent comming around because of the way we kill the mice.

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Way to garner support from the members!

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Im way passed that and really dont care to be honest.... I cant stand people mounted on their high horse behind a computer screen anyways.... If you feel one way and I feel another, who gives a crap.... What makes your way any better.

wow.....so much drama!

As i see it....Its your snakes, your money, your descions.

Do what you want! Dont let others make you feel bad, or tell you what to do!

Good luck!

So I skipped most of the pages becasue I sense a lot of drama.

Anyways, as a direct reply to the OP...

You don't have to worry about your snakes being scratched. Those little nails are not going to go through snake skin. Getting bitten is a real danger though. But instead of "crushing" the face, which I am not sure if that's what you meant. I imagine an imploded face with broken bones and and bloody mess. If you feel the snake might get bitten, just use the tongs to hold the face a way or as just a barrier.

I will not question your reasoning for switching. For each there own in that regard. I was more concerned with the treatment of the prey item.

Thanks.

Ok, I have read through maybe 80% of this thread. I can understand your reasons behind not wanting to feed f/t. It does suck to have thawing rodents and having them in your freezer. (My mother in law really likes rats so when she sees them thawing out, she always gives me one of those "Awww, poor rattie." things.)

If you want to feed live, great! More power to you. I have nothing against feeding live. I switched to f/t mainly for the ease of it. I have a huge freezer I keep all my feeders in. I thaw what I need out (so far I'm only keeping a weeks worth at a time in the freezer) and offer. So far, all but 1 snake takes f/t no problem. I don't even warm them up to body temperature.

But anyway, there is nothing wrong with feeding live, as long as you supervise every feeding. What I used to do is place the feeder in view of the snake. The snake would strike usually before I had a chance to set the feeder down. :rolleyes: If the snake struck in an odd place and the rodent had control of its mouth, I would simply stick my tongs in the rodents mouth. The rodent would chew on the metal tongs and within a few seconds would stop chewing. Now, I don't mean shove the tongs all the way in its mouth. Just offer one side of the tongs and let it chew. I use metal so I don't have to replace them. I would then move onto the next snake and repeat the process. There have been a few times, a while ago, that I held the rat's feet down. I didn't crush them with the tongs, but I simply held them gently with my fingers so they wouldn't kick at my snake. There is no reason to really intervene unless the feeder is trying to bite.

Next time, don't worry. You don't have to panic. The snake knows what its doing and you will be there just in case. Just let the snake do what it does best. :D

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Its your snakes, your money, your descions.

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Nothing against you polkadogpenguin, but I really hate statements like this. (I know this isn't what you meant whenever you said that. I just need to vent about it for a sec) Yes, we all have free will and can do what we want, but we should all try to have atleast SOME knowledge behind our actions.

A mother can't abuse her children just because they are hers. People can't abuse their dogs just because they are theirs. You can't look away from someone not properly caring for what the have assumed responsibility of.
(but at the same time you can't kick and scream about it. All we can give is input. Someone of you get a little too angry IMO)

Working at a petshop I can NOT stress enough how much I wish people would do some research before jumping into something. Between buying a new animal or breeding their current animal out of good health.

Not at all saying the OP was abusing anything btw.. speaking in generalities here.

Can we lock this thread? I am pretty sure everything that needs to be said has been said (multiple times)

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Anyway, for ‘Fat Nico’ my adult BP, I had to crush the rats’ feet, to prevent it from scratching Nico. Muffin’s mouse was far worse however, I had to take my hemostats and crush his face to get him to calm down. I was terrified of these rodents hurting my animals, so the tongs never left my grip.

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Sorry, I'm in the camp that believes this was excessively cruel and unnecessary, regardless of how you feel about feeder animals.

If you're THAT concerned with your snake being injured by live prey, you shouldn't feed it to them imo. I realize you understand your mistake, Chocolate, but I hope that you take pains to avoid causing unnecessary suffering and fear in the future for your feeder animals.

Rats and mice deserve a bit of dignity too, and their deaths should be purely utilitarian in the interest of keeping the snake alive - it shouldn't be considered entertainment to watch a living thing die painfully, and I'd be worried about the psyche of someone who considered it funny or entertaining (not saying you did Chocolate, just making a general statement).

Wow.

Ok the OP is not using logic. "I am just so concerned with the animals safety" Then feed F/T. You have three things to consider when feeding your BP, whats best for your snake, whats best for you and whats best for the rodent. Now I order things like this, snake, rodent, me. You think you ordered, snake, you, rodent. But you really prioritized, you. You took a step backward for your snakes and are actively causing the rodents unnecessary suffering. Now I understand that you are worried about your snake getting bitten. Guess what F/T rodents don't bite, live ones due, and smashing their faces is just not a valid option unless your goal is to be cruel and inhuman. Your actions are a slap in the face to anyone that respects life or has struggled with needing to switch to live for a picky snake.

You smashed the rodents feet, THEIR FEET! Your snake comes out of the egg armored with scales to protect against appropriate sized prey scratches.

I couldn't even read the first page of posts. That just wrong. Shame on you. Learn how to prekill, feed F/T or take your chances with live. Stop torturing rodents.

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Wow.

Ok the OP is not using logic. "I am just so concerned with the animals safety" Then feed F/T. You have three things to consider when feeding your BP, whats best for your snake, whats best for you and whats best for the rodent. Now I order things like this, snake, rodent, me. You think you ordered, snake, you, rodent. But you really prioritized, you. You took a step backward for your snakes and are actively causing the rodents unnecessary suffering. Now I understand that you are worried about your snake getting bitten. Guess what F/T rodents don't bite, live ones due, and smashing their faces is just not a valid option unless your goal is to be cruel and inhuman. Your actions are a slap in the face to anyone that respects life or has struggled with needing to switch to live for a picky snake.

You smashed the rodents feet, THEIR FEET! Your snake comes out of the egg armored with scales to protect against appropriate sized prey scratches.

I couldn't even read the first page of posts. That just wrong. Shame on you. Learn how to prekill, feed F/T or take your chances with live. Stop torturing rodents.

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aggresion aggresion aggresion, what you said was said by me with a more easy maner and by many others in the last 13 pages, what was the point of repeating all aggresivly? -_- polluting the data streams with unesserary data lol

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aggresion aggresion aggresion, what you said was said by me with a more easy maner and by many others in the last 13 pages, what was the point of repeating all aggresivly? -_- polluting the data streams with unesserary data lol

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I am glad you asked. Because I consider what the OP did to be gruesome. What you are reading as aggression is in reality outrage. They are similar but different. I hold no ill will toward the OP or anyone for that matter. The point is that many pages of people go to respond with their outrage. My outrage is no less valid having come late in the game. When the site admins feel that the thread has played out they will lock it. Thank you Darksmoke for being more diplomatic, that was not my intent. As for polluting the data stream. Nonsense, everyone knows that all data has worth. Its a rare thing to hear a scientist say "If only we had less data to work with."

I don't know how you did that, OP :puke2:

I would have had a hard time doing that to the rodent.... I can't understand people who can be so callous when it comes to causing pain to others.

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wow.....so much drama!

As i see it....Its your snakes, your money, your descions.

Do what you want! Dont let others make you feel bad, or tell you what to do!

Good luck!

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I thought this made sense!?

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Nothing against you polkadogpenguin, but I really hate statements like this. (I know this isn't what you meant whenever you said that. I just need to vent about it for a sec) Yes, we all have free will and can do what we want, but we should all try to have atleast SOME knowledge behind our actions.

A mother can't abuse her children just because they are hers. People can't abuse their dogs just because they are theirs. You can't look away from someone not properly caring for what the have assumed responsibility of.
(but at the same time you can't kick and scream about it. All we can give is input. Someone of you get a little too angry IMO)

Working at a petshop I can NOT stress enough how much I wish people would do some research before jumping into something. Between buying a new animal or breeding their current animal out of good health.

Not at all saying the OP was abusing anything btw.. speaking in generalities here.

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Haterisim ahahaha... Wow this thread bekame the new hotness

Yikes, why torture the poor rodents when you can instantly kill them with a single whack?

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I still say everything is up to u... do wut u wonna do:gj:

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You can do what you want to do with morals.
That's like also saying that it's up to you if you want to abuse animals or not. Sure it is, but you will have repercussions.
P.S. I said this once, and I will say it again. Please learn how to type somewhat in proper English. (At least spell out words properly, the grammar is not as important.) You will not be as overlooked and ignored, as well as you will be taken more seriously by members here.

CM, I'm glad that you're sorry about the whole ordeal and learned something out of this. We know that you were just trying to do the best thing and act fast in the scariest of situations. :gj:

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I am glad you asked. Because I consider what the OP did to be gruesome. What you are reading as aggression is in reality outrage. They are similar but different. I hold no ill will toward the OP or anyone for that matter. The point is that many pages of people go to respond with their outrage. My outrage is no less valid having come late in the game.

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^ This. When I read the original post I was completely appalled. I love all animals, not just herps, and hearing about rats being tortured just because someone wanted the thrill of watching their snake tackle live (crippled) prey is horrible to me.

Rats and mice are fairly intelligent mammals (that's why they're used in cognitive laboratory work) and you can rest assured that these died in a great deal of pain and terror.

That's just not cool.

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^ I'm glad for this too. Chocolate, I hope you go back to feeding frozen/thawed. It's much safer for your snakes, and much more humane for the feeder animals as well. Commercially prepared frozen rodents are killed painlessly by CO2 euthanasia, which is the most humane way in my opinion.

As an animal welfare activist, I wish all snake owners would feed frozen/thawed, for the sake of all the animals involved...

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I thought this made sense!?

Haterisim ahahaha... Wow this thread bekame the new hotness

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I specifically said no offense and that i was speaking in generalities. Might make sense to you, but it makes none to me.

[QUOTE=MasonC2K;1218704]So I skipped most of the pages becasue I sense a lot of drama.

Anyways, as a direct reply to the OP...

You don't have to worry about your snakes being scratched. Those little nails are not going to go through snake skin. Getting bitten is a real danger though. But instead of "crushing" the face, which I am not sure if that's what you meant. I imagine an imploded face with broken bones and and bloody mess. If you feel the snake might get bitten, just use the tongs to hold the face a way or as just a barrier.


X2... I feed my Ball Live also....