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  • 09-12-2009, 06:16 PM
    nixer
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MsPrada View Post
    In my biology class (human and animal interactions) yesterday we had a lady from the vet school talking about ethics and welfare. She asked us "How many of you believe in HSUS?" and 5 people raised their hands.... All of which have pets. It made me sad that people don't educate themselves more. (thankfully the other three people in there that own herps didnt, phew!)

    what did she have to say about the hsus?
  • 09-13-2009, 01:00 PM
    Corvid
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    Thank you very much for sharing the clear facts.

    Similar to you, I,"passionately and meticulously” worked in an animal shelter where we saved and euthanized many animals. I poured my heart and soul into that place and gave up A LOT to do so. The bottom line is that HSUS DID help us. So when I heard someone saying, "They have nothing to do with your local Humane Society" I know that is a lie. As we have seen with the bills trying to be passed, it is imperative that everyone needs to keep ALL of the facts straight, Including politicians, Reptile Nation, and HSUS.

    You have laid out the facts very clearly, with that I see that my thought of working with them is too far-fetched.

    I have never been completely blind to the fact of what HSUS would like to do to not only Reptile Nation, but all exotic areas. I just didn't realize it was to the extent that HSUS would stoop to such ridiculous lies.

    Adam, Thank you for posting.
  • 09-13-2009, 02:42 PM
    MsPrada
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    She didnt share her opinions with us, but Ive heard from some people that know her that is most likely believes in them herself...
  • 09-13-2009, 03:34 PM
    nixer
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    the problem is that when they do give a small donation they just made a few hundred thousand in revenue, yet they claim to be not for profit.
    then again at the same time how much was the usgs paid off.
    just like 2 days ago the usgs was on tv saying how most costal states will be under water.
    oh yea and noaa said we are going to have non stop hurricanes
  • 09-14-2009, 05:57 AM
    WingedWolfPsion
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    Eh? What do hurricanes and global warming have to do with HSUS? (I'm glad I live far inland, anyhow, lol).
  • 09-14-2009, 09:58 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    Thank you for your help in your local shelter. I too volunteer my time every week at my local humane society and do everything I possibly can to stop the killing of healthy, adoptable cats and dogs where I live.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Corvid View Post
    So when I heard someone saying, "They have nothing to do with your local Humane Society" I know that is a lie.

    There is a common misconception about the relationship between local humane societies and the Humane Society of the United States. Many people think that they are one in the same, but the reality is that they are very different and separate entities.

    As always, we can look directly to the HSUS website to find out exactly what they do for local humane societies.

    1. They provide national shelter standards, guidelines and recommendations for care and operations.

    2. They offer a Animal Services Consultation (ASC) program, which provides in-depth animal shelter evaluations (unfortunately, this is a program that the HSUS charges several thousand dollars for and many shelters cannot afford it).

    3. They provide training programs. (again, these are not free and most of the time local shelters cannot afford them)

    4. They offer shelters a bi-monthly magazine.

    5. They provide outreach through their website to "help citizens find, understand and support their local shelters, plus classroom support for humane education programs".

    6. They offer a cooperative buying service to provide discounts to shelters on a wide variety of products and services. (kind of like CostCo or BJ's for shelters ... btw, according to their tax filings HSUS makes money off of products purchased through this buyers program)

    7. "Inspiration and direction in the establishment of a new federation of humane societies." (I'm not even sure what this means?)

    8. Disaster assistance, including on-the-scene leadership in the collection and care of animals during crises. Plus, The HSUS assists in the rebuilding of animal shelters damaged in disasters, and supplements local budgets for unexpected disaster expenses.

    9. Direct and indirect support for spay and neuter programs.

    10. Standby assistance for a variety of other needs including legislation, operational guidance and more.

    11. Fundraising events for local shelters and rescue groups, such as Walk for the Animals and Spay Day USA.

    12. Financial assistance in the form of scholarships, periodic grants and other opportunities.

    13. National and global advocacy for the core mission and values of America's animal shelters.

    This line from the HSUS website is very important ...

    "By long-standing tradition, local humane societies remain independent entities, each with its own policies, governance, and priorities".

    You can find all of the information above on the HSUS website at this link - http://www.hsus.org/pets/animal_shel..._for_shelters/

    AmericanHumane.org estimates that there are 3,500 shelters operating within the United States although the exact number is unknown ... if you take the $6,774,268.00 from the HSUS 2008 annual report that they say they spent on animal care facilities and assume that they divided that money equally between the 3,500 shelters ... what you get is $1,935.50 ... $1,935.50 is what the HSUS financially contributes to each US shelter. 180 million dollars a year in donations and they give each shelter that they are helping $1,935.50. That pays for one minimum wage employee to work at a shelter for about 6 weeks.

    Shame on them.

    The even sadder part is that the HSUS operates 5 of it's own animal care facilities Nationwide ... so that $6,774,268.00 from their annual report that was spent on animal care facilities also includes the money that directly went to the 5 facilities that they run ... including a 1,300 acre ranch in Texas ... leaving less money for local shelters.

    So to be clear, the Humane Society of the United States doesn't run, fund, own, or directly participate in the day to day operations of local humane societies and shelters. They are more like a trade organization that provides standards, publishes a magazine, charges money for some services, and gives a little money here and there to help out with local shelters. This isn't opinion, it's fact based on information freely available on the HSUS website.

    $180,000,000.00 a year in charitable donations, and that's how they're supporting your local shelter ... Shame on them.

    The confusion comes from the fact that many people actually believe that the HSUS is directly running local humane societies and the Humane Society of the United States is happy to let them believe that. Why you ask?

    $180,000,000.00 a year in charitable donations.

    I'll say it one more time ... Shame on them.

    Blessings,

    -adam
  • 09-15-2009, 08:40 AM
    nixer
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki View Post
    Thank you for your help in your local shelter. I too volunteer my time every week at my local humane society and do everything I possibly can to stop the killing of healthy, adoptable cats and dogs where I live.



    There is a common misconception about the relationship between local humane societies and the Humane Society of the United States. Many people think that they are one in the same, but the reality is that they are very different and separate entities.

    As always, we can look directly to the HSUS website to find out exactly what they do for local humane societies.

    1. They provide national shelter standards, guidelines and recommendations for care and operations.

    2. They offer a Animal Services Consultation (ASC) program, which provides in-depth animal shelter evaluations (unfortunately, this is a program that the HSUS charges several thousand dollars for and many shelters cannot afford it).

    3. They provide training programs. (again, these are not free and most of the time local shelters cannot afford them)

    4. They offer shelters a bi-monthly magazine.

    5. They provide outreach through their website to "help citizens find, understand and support their local shelters, plus classroom support for humane education programs".

    6. They offer a cooperative buying service to provide discounts to shelters on a wide variety of products and services. (kind of like CostCo or BJ's for shelters ... btw, according to their tax filings HSUS makes money off of products purchased through this buyers program)

    7. "Inspiration and direction in the establishment of a new federation of humane societies." (I'm not even sure what this means?)

    8. Disaster assistance, including on-the-scene leadership in the collection and care of animals during crises. Plus, The HSUS assists in the rebuilding of animal shelters damaged in disasters, and supplements local budgets for unexpected disaster expenses.

    9. Direct and indirect support for spay and neuter programs.

    10. Standby assistance for a variety of other needs including legislation, operational guidance and more.

    11. Fundraising events for local shelters and rescue groups, such as Walk for the Animals and Spay Day USA.

    12. Financial assistance in the form of scholarships, periodic grants and other opportunities.

    13. National and global advocacy for the core mission and values of America's animal shelters.

    This line from the HSUS website is very important ...

    "By long-standing tradition, local humane societies remain independent entities, each with its own policies, governance, and priorities".

    You can find all of the information above on the HSUS website at this link - http://www.hsus.org/pets/animal_shel..._for_shelters/

    AmericanHumane.org estimates that there are 3,500 shelters operating within the United States although the exact number is unknown ... if you take the $6,774,268.00 from the HSUS 2008 annual report that they say they spent on animal care facilities and assume that they divided that money equally between the 3,500 shelters ... what you get is $1,935.50 ... $1,935.50 is what the HSUS financially contributes to each US shelter. 180 million dollars a year in donations and they give each shelter that they are helping $1,935.50. That pays for one minimum wage employee to work at a shelter for about 6 weeks.

    Shame on them.

    The even sadder part is that the HSUS operates 5 of it's own animal care facilities Nationwide ... so that $6,774,268.00 from their annual report that was spent on animal care facilities also includes the money that directly went to the 5 facilities that they run ... including a 1,300 acre ranch in Texas ... leaving less money for local shelters.

    So to be clear, the Humane Society of the United States doesn't run, fund, own, or directly participate in the day to day operations of local humane societies and shelters. They are more like a trade organization that provides standards, publishes a magazine, charges money for some services, and gives a little money here and there to help out with local shelters. This isn't opinion, it's fact based on information freely available on the HSUS website.

    $180,000,000.00 a year in charitable donations, and that's how they're supporting your local shelter ... Shame on them.

    The confusion comes from the fact that many people actually believe that the HSUS is directly running local humane societies and the Humane Society of the United States is happy to let them believe that. Why you ask?

    $180,000,000.00 a year in charitable donations.

    I'll say it one more time ... Shame on them.

    Blessings,

    -adam

    id also like to add that this does not qualify as a not-for-profit model, what that means is they are also evading taxes by doing what they are doing
  • 09-15-2009, 08:47 AM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nixer View Post
    id also like to add that this does not qualify as a not-for-profit model, what that means is they are also evading taxes by doing what they are doing

    Actually, nothing stated in what I wrote above violates their 501(c)(3) status in any way.

    Non-profits are allowed to accept donations and sell items ... they are just not allowed to accumulate profits that are paid out as dividends. As long as all of the money that they take in eventually goes back out in the form of charitable donations & operating costs, they are fine. Also, 501(c)(3)'s are allowed to spend up to 20% of their gross revenue on lobbying according to the IRS's 80/20 rule for lobbying.

    Hope this helps.

    -adam
  • 09-15-2009, 09:11 AM
    nixer
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki View Post
    Actually, nothing stated in what I wrote above violates their 501(c)(3) status in any way.

    Non-profits are allowed to accept donations and sell items ... they are just not allowed to accumulate profits that are paid out as dividends. As long as all of the money that they take in eventually goes back out in the form of charitable donations & operating costs, they are fine. Also, 501(c)(3)'s are allowed to spend up to 20% of their gross revenue on lobbying according to the IRS's 80/20 rule for lobbying.

    Hope this helps.

    -adam

    yes and their "charitable donations " dont amount to much and never have.
    this is also a big debate because there is technically no minimum donation but there was a ruling at one time that dictated a model for how much an npo should be holding vs donations
  • 09-15-2009, 09:38 AM
    nixer
    Re: HSUS is the enemy of all pet keepers
    also here is just one of the many petitions floating around to remove their "NPO" status
    http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html
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