Spider wobble

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Originally Posted by Paul88

I seem to recall someone talking about a Superspider like a week ago. Doh it looked just like a normal spider only diffrence was that it produced all spiders.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t=super+spider

Link to the mentioned tread

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That link still doesn't conclude that there is the existence of a super spider. They have been bred for a long time, no one has conclusively proven a super spider yet.

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Originally Posted by kyote19

I'm hoping theres a chance they can grow out of it, even a little,with my little girl doing all this looping and and tilting and twisting andwhatnot I'm wondering can it get any worse since shes so young from the start of it:(

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Yes, some do grow out of it. My male was held back by his breeder because he was described as a train wreck (before he had his first meals). Today, he'll take your fingers off when you feed him, and after getting a few meals in him stopped displaying that behavior. Conversely, there are spiders sent out as babies with no wobbles that develop horrible spinning when they get excited as they get older.

All spiders carry the wobble gene, they're one of the most out crossed mutations and no one has bred it out of them yet. Yes, I know there are people who swear that theirs don't, but look at pictures of most spiders. Almost all show their head cocked slightly, like a puppy looking at you with curiosity that you don't see in other mutations as consistently.

People need to stop being so fearful of the wobble, and if you love spiders, embrace it as part of their make-up. It doesn't affect their ability to eat, grow, shed, defecate and breed.

I love my spiders. I have 2 females and a male, and I'm adding another male soon (I'm starting to add back-up males of each morph I have).

My spider when I got it was three weeks old and did not wobble at all but now I've noticed when my male seems to get nervous I see it. Its not horrible but its there none the less. I still love him even though hes mean as hell :cool:

Kyote, when you get a clutch from that snake, post some pics and let me know. It looks alot like my original Sulfur female.

Dave

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Originally Posted by rabernet

If you knew there was no super spider, than the comment above makes zero sense.

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Again why I said that "I" thought. at no point did I ever sy that for 100% there was a super form. just what I feel.

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Originally Posted by takagari

Again why I said that "I" thought. at no point did I ever sy that for 100% there was a super form. just what I feel.

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I'm really not trying to argue with you - I'm genuinely interested in what makes you feel that there's a super form?

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Originally Posted by rabernet

That link still doesn't conclude that there is the existence of a super spider. They have been bred for a long time, no one has conclusively proven a super spider yet.

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I might be wrong but in the Super spider tread if you follow the links LGL Posted you get to this tread:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t=53588&page=3

And if every singel egg that male produces turns up spider, and it keeps doing so for the next few years to really prove it. Then that would be a Super spider?

My friend and I were looking at a baby spider and we were barely able to see the wobble but we haven't seen enough spiders in person to know for sure, I have dealt with plenty of normal adults and pastels and such but am hesitant to add a spider to our personal collection cause of the wobble issue. I am worried about picking one that will grow to be a "train wreck". By the sounds of it you just pick one that has little to no wobble and hope for the best. The one we were looking at was an absolutely stunning female but I prefer to research before I jump into things. Also given that it is from the spider gene any morphs containing spider would also carry the risk of a wobble, or do other morph lessen it as I only see it discussed with plain spiders.

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Originally Posted by Paul88

And if every singel egg that male produces turns up spider, and it keeps doing so for the next few years to really prove it. Then that would be a Super spider?

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Well technically, a het spider can produce 100% spider offspring for its full breeding life. It's just very unlikely.

No matter how compelling 100s of spider babies would be, the only conclusive evidence is a genetic test.

What I've always wondered is why spider is classified as co-dom instead of dominant, if no super form has been proven.

Co-dom? everywhere Ive read about genes, I always see spider classified as dominant.