Whaddya think of this deal?

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Originally Posted by LGL

A "Cinnamon Pastel" is just another name for a Cinnamon. As Judy said, the morph was originally called "Cinnamon Pastel" but since it doesn't actually carry the "Pastel" gene, most people just call it "Cinnamon" or "Cinny". A Pastel Cinnamon (that carries both the Pastel gene and the Cinnamon gene) is called a Pewter. The one in the picture is a Cinnamon (aka Cinnamon Pastel aka Cinny - it does not carry the Pastel gene though).

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I hate when people do that to me.
I see Cinnamon Pastel and I think they mean a PastelxCinny.
It really shouldn't be called that if it's unrelated to Pastels, IMO.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I hate when people do that to me.
I see Cinnamon Pastel and I think they mean a PastelxCinny.
It really shouldn't be called that if it's unrelated to Pastels, IMO.

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That's why many people prefer to just call them Cinnamons or Cinnys to avaid confusion. When I refer to what makes up a Pewter, I always put the Pastel first so people know it carries both the Pastel gene and the Cinnamon gene.

Pastel Cinnamon = Pewter (carries both genes)
Cinnamon Pastel = Cinnamon (only carries the Cinny gene)

That's why it's easier to just say "Pewter".


Here's the reasoning behind the original name - from http://www.grazianireptiles.com/collection/cinnamon.htm

"In the summer of 1997, I was going through shipments of ball pythons at Strictly Reptiles in Hollywood FL. I was looking for minor aberrancies, like odd colors and patterns. That day I picked out two hundred hatchling ball pythons out of thousands. One of the males that I picked had an odd cinnamon color and he was not as bright as the rest. His dorsal pattern was normal, but his side pattern showed some unusual blushing in the dark bands coming down towards the belly. His belly and upper labial scales were similar to those of the Pastel Jungle mutation. His belly had no black flecking like a normal ball python and his upper labial scales were light colored. The typical yellow/gold stripe that runs from the nostril through the eye to the rear of the cheek on most ball pythons was extremely reduced and was a pale tan color. The top half of the iris was silver, similar to the gold color in the top half of the Pastel Jungle’s iris. After a closer look at him we realized that he contained no yellow pigment. At that time we were calling him a Cinnamon ball python.

We proved him to be genetic in the summer of 2002 when we bred our wild caught Cinnamon Pastel male to 3 wild caught females. All 3 females laid eggs and out of 18 eggs we hatched 8 Cinnamon Pastels, which proved this mutation to be dominant. At that time we changed the name from Cinnamon to Cinnamon Pastel. The reason for the name change was because there were a number of other ball pythons that were being called cinnamon that did not resemble this mutation and did not prove to be genetic. Since this mutation had some similarities with the Pastel Jungle mutation, we called them Cinnamon Pastels. I know there is nothing pastel about them, but we needed to make sure people could distinguish between our proven mutation and the other unproven cinnamons. Since that time, when most people refer to them, they just call them Cinnamon. Kind of like the Spider, it was originally called Spider Webbed and after time the Webbed was dropped. "

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Originally Posted by kris62901

i want that pastel ship it and then ill pay u lol

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Suuuuuuure... I'll get right on that. Check's in the mail, right? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by LGL

A Cinnamon x Pastel pairing will give each egg a 25% chance of being either a Pewter (Pastel Cinnamon), a Cinnamon, a Pastel, or a Normal.

Or if you are saying that if an animal carries both the Cinnamon gene and the Pastel gene, it is a Pewter (Pastel & Cinnamon genes), then you are correct.

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No, I was just wrong - thanks for clearing it up! That would a nice clutch, no matter what the breakdown. :)

Your pastel has a retarded amount of blushing for being so young lol! mine is just starting to show here and there.

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Originally Posted by Danounet

Your pastel has a retarded amount of blushing for being so young lol! mine is just starting to show here and there.

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Yeah, he does have some amazing blushing. :) He looks even more pale after his last shed, since he lost some scales from rubbing hard... but even so, I love his coloring. Thanks for the comment!

How old is he again?

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Originally Posted by Danounet

How old is he again?

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Not sure exactly. I got him in late May ('09), and they said he was a "holdback" - probably from 2008. So I'm guessing just under a year old, maybe younger? :confused:

So, have you heard from the breeder? You getting it? That would be a sweet deal! I can't wait to start adding some morphs to my collection:rolleyes:

I just talked to the owner on the phone, and it turns out they are professional breeders... they just had to word things carefully to follow CL rules, LOL. ;) She said it IS a cinnamon, about a year old, and they don't know the gender for sure. We're meeting up on Saturday in San Jose, and then I'll see if he/she is as pretty in person! :)