Is This Pic A Het Pied?

Erm... this just sounds fishy... I'd look else where!

A Pastel X Pied....Just because it has the "markers" doesn't guarantee it to be a possible het anything. I have normals that have the "pied markers". I could be a scum, write up some phony guarantee with a phony made up pedigree and sell my normals for a few hundred bucks saying they are het pieds and vanish into the wind.

A reputable breeder isn't going to be selling any animals on a "craigslist" type of site.

Pat is right, that snake is very skinny!


I'd get a %100 het pied female from a real breeder and not some joblow from a a strange site.

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Erm... this just sounds fishy... I'd look else where!

A Pastel X Pied....Just because it has the "markers" doesn't guarantee it to be a possible het anything. I have normals that have the "pied markers". I could be a scum, write up some phony guarantee with a phony made up pedigree and sell my normals for a few hundred bucks saying they are het pieds and vanish into the wind.

A reputable breeder isn't going to be selling any animals on a "craigslist" type of site.

Pat is right, that snake is very skinny!


I'd get a %100 het pied female from a real breeder and not some joblow from a a strange site.

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I agree with you. MANY people can get away with saying their normal is a het for pied, albino, axanthic, and just pretty much anything to make an extra couple hundred bucks.. well.. if they make a mistake with saying their normal is a het for one of the co-dom or dominant morphs, then they got caught in the action for selling their snake for possibly hundreds of dollars;)

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Erm... this just sounds fishy... I'd look else where!

A reputable breeder isn't going to be selling any animals on a "craigslist" type of site.

Pat is right, that snake is very skinny!

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I have a reputable breeder near me that sells animals on cl... Just putting that out there...

Daniel is one of those stubborn know it all types, he asks and seeks approval and when he doesnt find it he does it anyway... We aren't going to change his mind.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I have a reputable breeder near me that sells animals on cl... Just putting that out there...

Daniel is one of those stubborn know it all types, he asks and seeks approval and when he doesnt find it he does it anyway... We aren't going to change his mind.

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There's actual a couple good breeders from Ontario that list their snakes on kijiji.ca

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

1) Breed the snake with another het pied. See if the hatchlings are pieds too, and if not, your snake is not a het pied. Make sure the snake you breed it with is a het pied, or else your hatchlings will all look like normal BPs.

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Actually while yes Het Pied X Het Pied should produce 25% Pied, remember those are odds and that it might take more than one season to achieve those results.

So if no pied was produce the first time around this would not automatically mean that the animal was not indeed a het pied. ;)

Sooo...

I don't know much about the genetics, but I'm no busta!

First of all,

Its already established by a few people that its not a guarantee,

Second...

The seller is guaranteeing that it is...and if not, your money back...

Regardless of his reputation, He is guaranteeing you something he cannot guarantee...

With that factor alone, that is a desperate seller...

I won't call him un-trustworthy, but I will call him desperate...He obviously wants to get rid of the snake...

It was also mentioned that he lowered down the price...

Also establishing that no one took interest in the snake

Now if thats the case...

Another factor... that is a desperate seller...


I don't know anything about genetics I just come here and read a lot, but I do have some sort of logic...and to me as it appears...

That is a desperate seller

With that in mind...

A desperate seller needs a desperate buyer...


I rest my case...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...p/t-80894.html
Funny, here it says there names are Les and Shiela. Who is Shaun?

Edit: Even the website for from tails to scales has no mention of a Shaun
http://www.from-scales-to-tails.bravehost.com

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Originally Posted by Montie Python

The seller is guaranteeing that it is...and if not, your money back...

Regardless of his reputation, He is guaranteeing you something he cannot guarantee...

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Most reputable breeders guarantee that the hets they sell are in fact hets. If they turn out to not produce what they should a replacement animal is generally offered. So no, that doesn't make someone a desperate seller. The tricky part comes in when you have to trust that they'll follow through with their word and that they will actually be around by the time you start breeding the animal you bought from them.

Its such a shame so many people have sold hets that are actually normals and put so many people off buying true hets just because they are unsure, those people have made it very hard for honest small time breeders that wish to sell a true heterozygous snake.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

1) Breed the snake with another het pied. See if the hatchlings are pieds too, and if not, your snake is not a het pied. Make sure the snake you breed it with is a het pied, or else your hatchlings will all look like normal BPs.

3) Breed the snake with a pied. If your babies come out looking like all normals, your snake is not a het. Though, your clutch would be het for pieds.

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I'd like to add that it could take a few breedings before you can successfully prove out a het. There's no guarantee that your first or even second clutch will produce a visual pied. The best way to know that the animal you are buying is a het is to buy from a reputable breeder.