Another BEL snake that most forget

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Originally Posted by Oroborous

Wow, I have never heard of the Mocha, but they make really nice BELs!:gj:

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Ditto!:snake:

do they ever put them up for sale? Whats the going rate for a mocha(either gender) if you know

does anyone have a pic of a mocha against a normal? What's the distinguishing feature?

Tim, it would be cool if you could see if Bryce would be willing to come here and explain a little more about the mocha. What makes a mocha a mocha (ie, I don't think I could pick it from a normal)? And any other questions people might have?

I know that you've piqued my interest in this project, and I'd never heard of it before either. Would love to hear more about it!

Well the person to shed the best light on the Mocha gene is gonna be the first producer Amir Soleymani of Yellowbellyball.com. From the looks of it he doesn't even go on his own forums on that site. As far as the defining markers I don't know much either, but I will ask Bryce to provide me with a bit of info for you guys. If you put "Who produced the mocha ball python" into the google bar the first link is to a image event page that has quiet a few photos of the Mocha and of the Super Mocha's/Latte's as babies.

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

Yeah the BEL in the pictures are LesserXMocha. The Latte's have a neat pink stripe I will have to find a photo

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Guys I was wrong the BEL that are pictures are from a Latte/Super Mocha bred to a Lesser. Bryce said he would sign up to answer some of your questions

The mocha x lesser BELs are nice.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

I never bring up mochas because I've never heard of them before!!!

Jeezus it always baffles me the number of apparently visually different morphs out there in the BEL complex.. It's like there's some genetic disposition towards mutation of that specific gene.. but in different ways.

since we're on topic.. what ARE all the known BEL complex morphs?
mojo
lesser
butter
RDR phantom
mocha
special

I'm tired and have at least one more on the tip of my tongue but my nighttime drugs are kicking in.

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

also the het Russo but I think thats all for now

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The mystic is also a BEL complex snake.

I have seen Amir's Super Mochas in person but never realized they were compatable with the Lesser/Butter gene? Very cool:gj:

The mocha looks like my dinker female. Maybe I'll be adding another line to the BEL complex list in a couple of years.

Hello,

I guess I have been MIA in Mia.

The Mocha was first brought in as a fancy female by Noah back in the 90s.
I got the snake and produced visual animals from the original female.
I bred the animals together and produced Lattes which are the BELs.
I originally saw the similarities to a lesser on the import female from her clear belly and side markings.
A few people saw her and rolled their eyes but she is what she is which is another line of het Lucys that is compatible with Russo, Lesser, Butter and Mojave.
There is a great picture of the first four Lattes produced in the back cover of the Barkers Ball Python book.
As for combos, there are Mocha Yellowbellys and Mocha Ivorys and others in the works in the incubator.
Hope this sheds some light on the matter and I will be a bit more visible in the next few months.

Amir