Sugar and Calico Question

Tim,

please post photos of your hatchlings this season. you always produce some beautiful Royals.

best of luck with your Sugar project. have you posted any photos of your Sugar yet?

I say they are way different. My opinion is based on the fact that I have yet to see a calico that I thought looked half way decent, but even the worst example of a sugar is just the greatest thing since sliced bread. :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by RoyalVariations

Tim,

please post photos of your hatchlings this season. you always produce some beautiful Royals.

best of luck with your Sugar project. have you posted any photos of your Sugar yet?

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I have attached a link to the thread where I posted my Sugar. Although he is near 700 grams, he did not breed this year. I will however be posting pics of our hatchlings when they start coming (only 2 clutches out so far).

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=95460

I like a lot of people believe them to be compatible variations of the same mutation. as with the BEL complex I feel like the Calico is just a toned down version of a Sugar. I have seen Calico's for sale that look like sugars and visa versa. I feel like calico's and sugars are a mutation that is often forgotten about like a few of the other morphs that not much has been done with. I however LOVE sugars..I love the orange outlines and the melty pattern they have..

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I don't see the difference. I thought they had been crossed and proven to be the same. I'm sure there are some minor differences (as between a lemon pastel and Graziani pastel), but it's the same gene.

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The sugar has more detailed or defined pattern, calico seems to have more distortion or smudging especially when you cross it with other morphs, but they have the same colors for the most part.

I think they are different lines of the same mutation. The different lines labeled calico have a lot of variation. The NWE line calicos could easily be mistaken for a Valentin line sugar. I have seen Sugars that look more calico as well. I believe that if you want to keep the caracteristics of a particular line, you have to be selective of any normals or morphs you breed them to. For example, I will breed my NWE line calico to a blackback because the blackback pattern is what drew me to the NWE calicos(I have a nice blackback lesser for her). I would do the same with a sugar as well, since they also have a strong blackback pattern.

Does anyone have pics of the various lines of sugars and calicos? Here's my Flora/Fauna Line Calico:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/...2ed893f381.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5202/...7ede619e20.jpg

I'll take Pete's Sugars over any calico I've seen so far.

http://www.pkreptiles.com/images/vie...042&image=full

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I have attached a link to the thread where I posted my Sugar. Although he is near 700 grams, he did not breed this year. I will however be posting pics of our hatchlings when they start coming (only 2 clutches out so far).

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=95460

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looks exactly like my friends calico.....

just looking at all the pictures in this thread im pretty convinced they are different lines of the same morph.

Here is a NWE line calico.

http://www.nextworldexotics.com/imag...oFC26-9008.jpg