ribbon snake

It would have to walk bite, and then it would have to get a really good latch on, and not everybody will have ill effects from it.

skip, if you didn't come off as a jerk, your posts might carry more weight. you get more bees with honey than vinegar.

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Originally Posted by Neal

Interesting. I knew they produced something like that, but I wasn't aware that they're now considered venomous. That's like my little rufous, he doesn't bite or hasn't ever attempted to and i've yet to find any cases of them biting, but he is rear-fanged consider venomous, even though I do not consider him it.

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I've got a couple papers on my hard drive regarding studies done on Rufoxin - which is the neurotoxin in rhamphiophis venom..........the conclusions are far from earth-shattering, but they may interest you.

Fry does a nice job of ranking the different colubrids in terms of potential risk on a couple of his threads. The difference between rhamphiophis and thamnophis is that rufous snakes are a marginally better equipped to actually get some juice into you.

I don't have the link handy, but Fry's studies pretty much concluded that with the exception of pantherophis, elaphe, lampropeltis and pituophis - all colubrids are technically venomous.

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I've got a couple papers on my hard drive regarding studies done on Rufoxin - which is the neurotoxin in rhamphiophis venom..........the conclusions are far from earth-shattering, but they may interest you.

Fry does a nice job of ranking the different colubrids in terms of potential risk on a couple of his threads. The difference between rhamphiophis and thamnophis is that rufous snakes are a marginally better equipped to actually get some juice into you.

I don't have the link handy, but Fry's studies pretty much concluded that with the exception of pantherophis, elaphe, lampropeltis and pituophis - all colubrids are technically venomous.

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If you could find me the papers or a link or something to read up on, I would greatly appreciate it. It took me about 6 months to locate a rufous, and I did a lot of re-search on them before I got my little guy, but the information if vague, not too much on it. I know they nicknamed the toxin from them rufoxin. I would like to know how potent the venom is and the re-actions and tests done, though it will not change me handling my little guy. All the reports i've read I couldn't find one single bite report of a rufous, and I handle him everyday without a longsleeve shirt & gloves.

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Originally Posted by Neal

If you could find me the papers or a link or something to read up on, I would greatly appreciate it. It took me about 6 months to locate a rufous, and I did a lot of re-search on them before I got my little guy, but the information if vague, not too much on it. I know they nicknamed the toxin from them rufoxin. I would like to know how potent the venom is and the re-actions and tests done, though it will not change me handling my little guy. All the reports i've read I couldn't find one single bite report of a rufous, and I handle him everyday without a longsleeve shirt & gloves.

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Neal:

PM me with your e-mail and I'll send over the files.

yes indeed, thamnophis are technically venomous!!!

I really need to get out my camera and try and get some of those big rear teeth on my FL blues exposed!!!