Anyone know of these morphs?

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

was produced in europe, my first impressions i wasnt overly excited and i love clown combo's.

if you could imagine it i would say its probably 75% spider, 25% clown ...

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sure bro!!!

so that still dosent explain what it looks like, you could say a pewter looks like 50% cinnamon and 50% pastel but that dosent help does it! what does the head pattern look like or better yet how about a picture if you know them im sure they would let you post a pic, considering it would probably be the only one in the world!!

not trying to be rude but that would be a pretty huge acivement in the ball python world sense no one has seen one!

I agree it would be nice if breeders always posted the newest combos they produce. But, they are under no obligation to do so.

In both this case, and the rather infamous hullabaloo with Ian G's Panda Pied, it was not the breeder who came forward and stated that the combo had been produced.

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Originally Posted by kc261

I agree it would be nice if breeders always posted the newest combos they produce. But, they are under no obligation to do so.

In both this case, and the rather infamous hullabaloo with Ian G's Panda Pied, it was not the breeder who came forward and stated that the combo had been produced.

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good point!

Some breeders hold back the info until they can produce more, or even in some cases prove the genetics out. Otherwise if they came forward they could look really silly if when all is said and done it proved out to just be an abnormality.

Then again there are some that are just secretive. :P

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Originally Posted by kc261

If you cross a spider het clown with a clown, you would get spiders het clown, clowns, AND clown spiders.

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Originally Posted by kc261

As far as I am aware, no one has produced a spider clown yet, so no one knows for sure.

However, when people say that spider is dominant, they mean in relation to normal, specifically the normal gene on the spider locus. And when people say clown is recessive, they mean in relation to the normal gene on the clown locus. Unless spider and clown are on the same locus, those are 2 different normal genes, but even if they are on the same locus, it says nothing about the relationship between spider and clown.

It is very possible to have a snake display both a dominant and a recessive trait at the same time, because they are on different loci. Some examples: honey bee, albino spider, spied, etc.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Not sure if they've been done or not, I certain don't remember seeing any pics. They sound like they would be interesting projects. Clowns are a nice morph but I don't think a lot of mixing has been done with them yet. It's hard to visualize what a spider clown or a cinnamon clown would look like, but then again, until it's actually been produced you can't really say what any designer is going to look like. After all, who could have predicted that a yellowbelly X specter would produce a striped snake?

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

spider clown has been produced, i wont say anymore about it though.

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Thanks a ton for all your comments guys! That was more of what I was really asking, but I got all confused when I myself started talking about breeding just a spider and a clown together.

I wanted to know if you ever really could get a -spider clown-....that actually was a new morph, by combining spider hets and clowns(all that good stuff) and thanks a bunch for actually informing us that one exists.

Though I really would like to see one still! I think it might just be an interesting morph, but then again you never know what you may get.


Hopefully at some point we will all get a good look at one if it's out there.